Marian apparitions and the sex scandal

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Sometimes chastisement from God refers to sins being exposed so a purging, purification or healing can take place.
 
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Not all punishments are humiliations. Not all humiliations are punishments.

I once had a wardrobe malfunction when I was performing on stage, that was not a punishment, it was an accident.

My dad once vomited all over a table in a restaurant, that was not a punishment, that was an illness.

As a child, I was disciplined and punished. I cannot think of any of these that were humiliations, in fact, most people would call using humiliation as punishment to be abusive.
 
How do you know it wasn’t a punishment?

How do you distinguish an accident from something from God? The only way to make the distinction is to think of oneself as God.
 
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God gives us human beings free will. He does not zap us with sickness or embarrassment. Every good and perfect gift comes from the Father. Scripture assures us of this.
 
Exactly. He allows us free will so he also allows us the consequences.

If you want communion with death then act accordingly.
 
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Lively thread in the Catholic news forum and I saw a quote that I thought applied specifically to here.
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You know, the more I think about it, the more I am very concerned that an archbishop has publicly called for the resignation of the pontiff. Of course it’s important to uncover the truth regarding this issue. But it’s a disgusting sign of the times that those in the hierarchy are battling one another in the public eye. I’m not trying to be reactionary but I can’t help but think of our Lady of Akita’s words: The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one wi…
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I’m not trying to be reactionary but I can’t help but think of our Lady of Akita’s words:
The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops.
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We never hear about Our Lady of La Salette anymore. I reckon that’s because the two witnesses went on to be rather unreliable instead of ending up as saints like St. Bernadette, St. Francisco and St. Jacinta.
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And St. Catherine Labore.
 
This may not be exactly on topic. But I did want to bring out up the Apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe. In the early 16th century The Native Americans were in despair at the time of the Spanish conquest. Our Lady appeared to St. Juan Diego, a Christian convert. We all know the story. Our Lady filled our St. Juan’s poncho/tilma with roses. He took the roses to the bishop. When he opened his tilma, a beautiful portrait of Our Lady was left. It’s important to know that the Aztecs were mired in sin. Their priests performed thousands of human sacrifices. Millions of Native Americans converted within a couple of years. And the great evil of human sacrifice halted.
 
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They couldn’t have been mired in sin if they didn’t know that what they were doing was a sin.
 
God outfits every person with a conscience. And with that comes empathy. (I’m deliberately excluding sociopaths.) I don’t think it’s possible to plunge a knife into the chest in of a living victim, and pluck out his heart while he was still alive –– without knowing that the victim is suffering. The same goes for flaying people alive. Through the Hippocratic oath, the ancient Greeks forbade abortion. They knew right from wrong, despite worshiping multiple gods.

Here’s what the Catechism has to say about Natural Law.

1954 Man participates in the wisdom and goodness of the Creator who gives him mastery over his acts and the ability to govern himself with a view to the true and the good. The natural law expresses the original moral sense which enables man to discern by reason the good and the evil, the truth and the lie:

“The natural law is written and engraved in the soul of each and every man, because it is human reason ordaining him to do good and forbidding him to sin . . . But this command of human reason would not have the force of law if it were not the voice and interpreter of a higher reason to which our spirit and our freedom must be submitted.”
 
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1857: For a sin to be mortal , three conditions must together be met: “Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.”

Of course, what they did was wrong, and of course it should have been stopped. But would they have been culpable in a Catholic sense if they weren’t fully aware?
 
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Dear Friend in Christ: I think we’re at a stalemate. So, let’s shake hands and call it a day. May God bless you in all things.
 
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