Marian apparitions

[beehumble]

The pot calling the kettle black? I read here of the authority of a bishop** being questioned**, offered as proof of the falsity of an apparition.

And then I read (hopefully not by the same poster) of the questioning of the authority of a cardinal who inclines towards approval of an apparition.

My my my. The cup of hypocrisy runneth over.

 

[beehumble]

I do not want ot get into too much of this.

Do people here, who believe in Fatima because the Church has approved it, know that the bishop in question, when asked if he believes in Fatima, categorically stated ‘No.’ He is not inclined to believe in apparitions, period. Some people are not inclined, this is true.

I state this because so many say stick with Fatima,it is approved.

It is a notable curiosity that if this bishop had been in charge of investigating Fatima, it would most likely not be approved.

The Church is acting with an abundance of caution, and is reluctant to dismiss the apparition outright, because it recognizes something many do not - namely, that signs indicate we are in the period before the final coming (read what Jesus said to St. Faustina in the 1930s: Tell souls about this great mercy of Mine, because the awful day, the day of My justice, is near. (Diary 965), and that throughout all of Church history, many of the greatest of its saints have prophesied that in the latter days, the power of Mary would be great.

Thank God for the wisdom of His Church!

 

[beehumble]

Do people here know that Sister Lucia, when requested to write down the secret by her bishop, did not do it. She spent weeks agonizing over it, not wanting to disobey her bishop, but not wanting to disobey Blessed Mary either. Finally, Blessed Mary appeared to Lucia and said she could write it down, and in a matter of minutes it was written down.

Here is the link (search on SHE JUST COULD NOT BRING HERSELF TO WRITE DOWN THAT 3RD PART OF THE FATIMA SECRET. )

fatimafamily.org/index.php?main_page=page&id=22

By the way, the book they offer, Documents on Fatima, is excellent (link below) , with some 300 plus pages and over 200 pictures. It is the end all and be all for anybody who wants to know the whole story of Fatima

(for example, did you know that immediately after the Miracle of the Sun on October 13, 1917, Lucia said Our Lady told her the ‘war would end today’ - but it ended on 11/11/1918 - and this caused many problems with approvals and such?)

fatimafamily.org/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_2&products_id=42

 

[zab]

Do people here know that Sister Lucia, when requested to write down the secret by her bishop, did not do it. She spent weeks agonizing over it, not wanting to disobey her bishop, but not wanting to disobey Blessed Mary either. Finally, Blessed Mary appeared to Lucia and said she could write it down, and in a matter of minutes it was written down.

Here is the link (search on SHE JUST COULD NOT BRING HERSELF TO WRITE DOWN THAT 3RD PART OF THE FATIMA SECRET. )

fatimafamily.org/index.php?main_page=page&id=22

By the way, the book they offer, Documents on Fatima, is excellent (link below) , with some 300 plus pages and over 200 pictures. It is the end all and be all for anybody who wants to know the whole story of Fatima

(for example, did you know that immediately after the Miracle of the Sun on October 13, 1917, Lucia said Our Lady told her the ‘war would end today’ - but it ended on 11/11/1918 - and this caused many problems with approvals and such?)

fatimafamily.org/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_2&products_id=42

Our Lady of Fatima encourages obedience of the seer to her bishop.

 

[zab]

The pot calling the kettle black? I read here of the authority of a bishop** being questioned**, offered as proof of the falsity of an apparition.

And then I read (hopefully not by the same poster) of the questioning of the authority of a cardinal who inclines towards approval of an apparition.

My my my. The cup of hypocrisy runneth over.

The Cardinal of Vienna has no authority in Medjugorje. He didn’t even notify the local bishop of his visit which is common courtesy that brother bishops show. His presence as noted by Bishop Peric aggravated problems there. Schonborn offered an apology to Bishop Peric immediately following a visit with the Holy Father. catholicnewsagency.com/news/cardinal_schnborn_issues_apology_to_bishop_of_medjugorje/

 

[rivera01]

Whatever the case may be at Med or Garabandal, I will lay my obediance down to the Church on said matters. After all, it does not affect my spiritual walk in life believing in said apparitions or not. We are not obligated to believe in private revelations, or apparitions, since everything we need to know about getting to heaven, has been closed already with the death of the last apostle. This does not undermine my believing on Guadalupe or Fatima, it actually does nothing to my faith, if later on the Church would declare if these apparitions were not true. My faith isnt based on the number of apparitions our Lady has made, but it is centerd around Jesus Christ.

 

[crystal_waters]

I would like to start of in saying that I am not anti-Mary or anything like that. I pray the rosary everyday, and I am devoted the Our Lady of Guadalupe. I also believe in the Vatican approved apparitions, Fatima for example. So to start off, there is a person that I talk to from my parish that is active in our church. Every time he talks to me, its always about the same subject, Medjugorje and supposed messages that are coming out from there, End Times specifically, and more recently Garabandal. Ive read a few posts here regarding Medjugorje to have a suspect look on things. I know nothing about Garabandal, but from what I’ve read it is considered false as well. I won’t pass judgement on said apparitions until the Church wisely passes judgement for Herself. Im not too enthused about discusssing the messages with him, but everytime he sees me he askes me if I have read anything about those apparitions. I answer honestly that no, but its starting to get to the point that its bothering me. I know that the Church has stated that it is not required for Catholics to believe in the apparitions, but I think that some people are bordering the fanatical here. What are your thoughts?

just be polite and listen to the person…they may just be passionate about medjugorje the way some are about lourdes and fatima… dont say anything bad because you may crush that persons faith and that would be bad to be the cause of that…just pray for god to reveal to the church whether medjugorje is genuine and also pray for that person too

 

[beehumble]

I think you should offer this advice to the person speaking endlessly about Medjugorje:

They should stop talking, and stop seeking approvals from others who cannot give it (i.e. you), and stop trying to convince others one way or the other of its authenticity.

Instead, they should start praying, going to Mass, going to confession, try some fasting on bread and water, try reading a little bit of Sacred Scripture every so often, and do acts of mercy as much as possible (deeds, words, and prayers - the three degrees of mercy spelled out by Jesus to St. Faustina - for their “neighbors”).

If they do these, they will do themselves no harm, and also they will be given the added grace of discernment to know the truth of such apparitions. The Holy Spirit will let them know.

And in so doing, they will become a witness to others. (preach often, and only if necessary, use words, to paraphrase the quote)

God bless you.