Marijuana morality

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But how do we know what is an “unjust law” ?

By the way sorry if I bother you with these questions
 
michael-kaw said:
But how do we know what is an “unjust law” ?

By the way sorry if I bother you with these questions
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If you were bothering me I wouldn’t be answering your questions. 🙂

I believe the Church defines an unjust law as a law which man imposes which violates God’s Laws or natural Law.

So for example, if a legislative body passed a law saying it was illegal for Christians to attend Church on Sunday, then a Christian could disobey that law and disregard it as unjust, and obviously it wouldn’t be sinful to do so.

That’s a very clear cut example, there are many other examples where it’s not so entirely clear whether the law is unjust or not - like in this particular case we’re discussing about cannabis and US drug laws.
 
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I thought using edibles had a greater effect on your use of reason than smoking it. Is this not true?
 
As an aside, civil law cannot forbid something which is virtuous, just as it cannot command anything vicious or sinful. And I’m not necessarily saying that smoking marijuana is virtuous though.
 
semper_catholicus said:
hought using edibles had a greater effect on your use of reason than smoking it. Is this not true
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Edible usage can have a heavier intoxicating effect than smoking, yes somewhat true.

But smoking “dabs” (hash oil) is much more intoxicating than either ingesting edibles or smoking cannabis bud…

But even dabs don’t get you super “wasted.”

Like, the effect of drinking a whole fifth of vodka, blacking out and puking all over your cat - you’ll never get that from weed, even if you smoke a whole ounce to your head in 2 hours.

The heaviest intoxication you’ll get from weed is becoming a human food dump and eating everything in the house then passing out with a plate of spaghetti spilled on your belly…

Weed is also literally impossible to OD on - although in certain people there IS a risk that weed can cause severe panic attacks. It’s also possible for someone with underlying mental health problems to have a mental health crisis initiated by consuming weed.

But a risk of side effects is a risk with any substance. It’s possible that someone could have a panic attack from drinking a strong cup of coffee. It’s possible that someone with mental health issues could have a mental health crisis as a result of regular consumption or over consumption of alcoholic beverages.
 
edwest said:
I politely suggest you google marijuana rehab
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I explicitly stated consumption of cannabis has a definite addictive potential, and that’s one of the main potential detrimental health effects and potentially sinful effects of cannabis consumption.

But I will also say, the addictive properties of cannabis are significantly lower than those of alcohol, and probably on a similar level (maybe slightly lower or higher, not sure) than tobacco.

But cannabis having the potential to cause addiction is no more reason to outlaw it than the potential for alcohol, tobacco, or caffeine to cause addiction is to outlaw them.

And please don’t tell me to google things about marijuana as if I’m unaware of them - I already stated earlier I am highly knowledgeable of all the pharmacological and legal intricacies surrounding cannabis and cannabis usage.
 
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Okay, thats interesting.

Consuming two small glasses of red wine doesn’t have the same effect on everyone though.
 
semper_catholicus said:
glasses of red wine doesn’t
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I’m speaking in generalities.

When I say that I mean “two average glasses of average ABV wine for an average weight 25 year old man with an average history of casual drinking.”

Obviously two glasses of red wine will be an ethanol overdose for a 2 year old to consume… But those are outliers, not the general examples I have in mind.
 
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Oh okay.

Now, my thing with marijuana is that, I always thought that only very little could be used/consumed before you started to compromise your use of reason (and compromise of use of reason is the big kicker for me, like how you cite to it’s potential to be addictive as a reason for its sinfulness).

And I’m keeping in mind, that even if you only start to get a little ‘loose’ by consuming alcohol, weed etc. then that is still sinful.
 
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I always thought that only very little could be used/consumed before you started to compromise your use of reason
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There have been studies where they show even significant consumption of weed only impairs driving ability to an equivalence of a BAC of like 0.04, which is half the legal limit for alcohol drunk driving in most of the US.

And I’ve never seen someone who regularly uses weed consume weed and then be noticeably impaired.

Cannabis just doesn’t effect the mental faculties in a very significant way. The heaviest impairment I’ve ever witnessed would be the equivalent of someone quickly drinking maybe 4 beers.
 
semper_catholicus said:
that even if you only start to get a little ‘loose’ by consuming alcohol, weed etc. then that is still sinful.
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And I don’t think that’s true…

You can consume one glass of wine on an empty stomach and feel a bit warm and loose, but your BAC only be 0.05 - still able to legally drive - and your mental faculties still totally clear and able to think the same as when you’re sober.

My understanding is the Church teaches it is sinful to get DRUNK - meaning significant impairment, where someone is noticeably intoxicated. Say, an average BAC of 0.1 (0.08 is the legal limit) is when a lot of people would start becoming drunk. Which for an average person would be like 4 glasses of wine consumed quickly back to back in a half hour.
 
Sorry, “loose” wasn’t the right word.

What I’m trying to say is that when you start to get drunk, even if not completely drunk, then that is venial sin.
 
Dude I’ve seen people make some pretty horrible decisions because they were stoned…
 
I think the real issue is someone thinking cigarettes and alcohol are okay, but pot isn’t.
 
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