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triumphguy
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To be fair to the OP he said he doesn’t use since he is in the military.
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Credo_ergo_sum
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Really?
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CopticChristian
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Triumph,
To be fair all information prior to forming an opinion that causes action should be known. The OP asked about the idea and the OHCAC and has an opinion that it is OK…Whether the OP uses or not the facts are:
It is illegal
In the military whether you think of using or not, if you use you will be tested
If you use and the military discovers it you will be dishonorably discharged
The OHCAC says obey the laws.
Therfore the OP can think anything the OP wants and if a thought of use crosses the mind all these things are relevant.
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TylerEast
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Wouldn’t the morality of something be under the Philosophy section? Morality tends to be in the eye of the beholder.
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CopticChristian
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Tyler,
This is Catholic Answers. The OHCAC has defined morality for Catholic Christians, believing it speaks for all Christians and also for others whether you believe it or not. Morality is not up to me as you say.
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TylerEast
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So the website is essentially just a place to slam OHCAC in people face? You seem to think that your rule book makes it impossible and illogical for anyone to think about anything or have an opinion of their own… Unfortunately people still will AND do. As evident by the fact that not everyone (including myself) seems to agree with you on all issue despite what the almighty OHCAC says. SO from this point on I’m going to ignore every post you make because absolutely not a single one has had any relevant information to contribute to any discussion I have seen on this forum. You will be treated like the thorn in everyone’s side that you are.
@OP If you’re wondering where marijuana lies morally for Catholics than just look at whatever rule book you adhere to. Then think about if a certain situation violates any of the rules. In terms of morality that concerns everyone, religious and non-religious alike, it can be wishy washy. I say it isn’t morally wrong because it doesn’t hurt anyone in and of itself depending on how it is used. If you smoke it and go driving, that’s a different story.
Of course, other peoples opinions will be different.
@OP If you’re wondering where marijuana lies morally for Catholics than just look at whatever rule book you adhere to. Then think about if a certain situation violates any of the rules. In terms of morality that concerns everyone, religious and non-religious alike, it can be wishy washy. I say it isn’t morally wrong because it doesn’t hurt anyone in and of itself depending on how it is used. If you smoke it and go driving, that’s a different story.
Of course, other peoples opinions will be different.
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Delaine75
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We actually discussed this in our RCIA class one time. We were told that, by man’s law, marijuana is illegal and this is why it is considered wrong. A person’s personal opinion does not change that fact.
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Samuel63
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Getting high on marajuana is a poor use of the time and gifts God has given us. We will be judged on the decisions we make and the scandal we propagate. Our great Church has made a reasonable effort over the centuries to give us all we need to make good decisions. You can choose to reject this body of knowledge and wisdom if you want and possibly at your own peril.
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CopticChristian
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Presence
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I think the laws against Marijuana are unjust because of the corruptive motivations, historically and currently, behind them. It’s non-violent offenders (things like possession only) who make up a majority of the prison system. More prisoners equal more money to privatized prison systems. Big pharmaceutical companies are also against the legalization of Marijuana, which would render many of their legal and more lethal (health-wise) drugs useless. Reefer Madness is still having a negative affect on our politics today; sure can’t have our white women getting loose with the black man and his devil jazz music.
I wonder if the producers of the drug tests are making any money off of all this? Even enforcement of Federal law is unconstitutional and unfair to their victims. The laws against Marijuana do not exist because of the facts, but the lies and greed. The laws against Marijuana cause more harm than good.
I am only scratching the surface here I believe, but ‘unjust’ is a nice way of putting it I think.
I know it may sound too ‘conspiracy theory’ which is something I would want to avoid, but reflecting on recent policies with the US gov’t versus Catholic beliefs it’s gotta make you think.
Yes, I know. It’s something I knew coming in and has since been drilled into my head throughout the years. I have since re-enlisted knowing this fact. Regardless of how the law may find itself in the future I know that being in the military I will have a completely different set of laws that I must abide by if I don’t want to deal with the consequences. Fine.
But I am not using Marijuana, and the times that I did prior to joining the Navy have been declared.
Despite my ‘formed opinions’ I came here to a Catholic forum to discuss them because I am open to being corrected. My interest was sparked based off of a few documentaries I was introduced to on Netflix (high learning, no pun intended…lol). Something I was formerly morally against I now have a different opinion on, we’ve all experienced this.
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TylerEast
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“whatever rule book you adhere to”
That would mean that’s your rule books ruling. Anyone adhering to this system, I implore you to look up Deontology. I think you’ll find it interesting to know where you stand to the outside world.
I see nothing different between how I am acting and how I said I would act. I have not discussed validity of one’s gods in an biased manner. And so far the only person who I’ve probably offended due to ignorance of your religion refuses to tell me about it so I won’t be ignorant of it.
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Credo_ergo_sum
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The OP just wanted to know if the CC considers using marijuana sinful. I don’t see what you’re trying to do.
That’s what the sophists said. Socrates spend almost his whole life trying to refute them and you learnt nothing of it?
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TylerEast
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Encourage individual thought in any construct it finds itself. Pretty much all of my answers are “you can figure this out yourself if you think about it and here’s how other people think of it.”
From what I gathered from OP’s posts he wasn’t so “into” just saying “THOU SHALL NOT” and hitting the problem in the face with a book. “morally wrong” and sinful are two very distinct and different things as well.
I don’t follow the Sophist comment, care to elaborate?
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Credo_ergo_sum
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Sure. There were certain men in ancient Greece who taught people ‘wisdom’ and ‘rhetoric’ for money. They said that there is no such thing as absolute truth or good or evil, but that everything is measured in the eye of the beholder. They said that “man is the measure of all things”.I don’t follow the Sophist comment, care to elaborate?
Socrates, the greatest philosopher, combatted it and argued that absolute truth and an objective good and evil exists and that sophists were frauds. So too argued his succesors, Plato and Aristotle. The greatest Greek philosophers spend their whole life trying to fight moral relativism, and in the last few decades it´s rearing its ugly head again.
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TylerEast
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I see nothing wrong with people having different opinions…? Sophists said A, Socrates argued B. Just because something isn’t popular doesn’t mean one shouldn’t consider it.
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Credo_ergo_sum
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Not all opinions are of equal worth, that would be sophism. Instead, there is an absolute truth which we humans can only see as through a blurred window. Nonetheless, we should seek that objective truth.
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TylerEast
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“That would be sophism” sorry, did I spell it wrong? It’s a new term for me. My classes never told us about it (which is kind of funny because I’m very much into Sophism when it comes to morality. It’s what all of my morality papers were based on).
Who’s to say something is right or wrong? (Please don’t say God, that’s a whole other discussion that never needs to be talked about by anyone who didn’t start the discussion with an opinion ready to change)
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Credo_ergo_sum
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Calling someone a sophist is an insult. Not even sophists would admit that they’re sophists
It doesn’t matter who has the authority to say someone’s right or wrong. Truth doesn’t change, you can be closer or farther away from that objective Truth. I suggest you read Plato’s work ‘The Republic’.
There should be loads of free translations on the internet. It doesn’t represent my view 100%, but it is very good. I am very much a fan of Plato.
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TylerEast
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I’ll totally admit I’m a sophist in terms of philosophical schools…If people really want to judge me because of that then…good for them I suppose.Calling someone a sophist is an insult. Not even sophists would admit that they’re sophists
We’re kind of off topic though…
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CopticChristian
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Tyler,
If you are truly a Sophist then you will learn that any conclusion you reach that opposes teachings of the OHCAC on this thread will be judged in error, those that adhere to the teachings of the OHCAC. Will this change your view?
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