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I heard that recently Pope Francis announced that he was against marijuana legalization. Can anyone explain why? How can I present this to the many people who would disagree with the Pope?
 
FireFromHeaven said:
I heard that recently Pope Francis announced that he was against marijuana legalization. Can anyone explain why? How can I present this to the many people who would disagree with the Pope?
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Can you point to a source? It would help speed any analysis you wish to see.
 
FireFromHeaven said:
I heard that recently Pope Francis announced that he was against marijuana legalization. Can anyone explain why? How can I present this to the many people who would disagree with the Pope?
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Pope Francis said abuse of drugs and alcohol can be harmful and sinful. He did not address marijuana legalization or speak against medical/private limited use of marijuana or alcohol.
 
FireFromHeaven said:
I heard that recently Pope Francis announced that he was against marijuana legalization. Can anyone explain why? How can I present this to the many people who would disagree with the Pope?
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We need a source. Anyways, mind altering drug even recreational drugs here in the U.S.A is really not needed. It wouldn’t surprise me of the Holy Father had said that about drugs. I’m sure medications differ than from drugs.
 
FireFromHeaven said:
I heard that recently Pope Francis announced that he was against marijuana legalization. Can anyone explain why? How can I present this to the many people who would disagree with the Pope?
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People often think that if we legalize something, it will somehow fix the problem. I live in Mexico, and we have legalized prostitution in certain areas. The thought behind it was that if it was legalized in those areas that people would go there, and prostitution wouldn’t be in all these other areas.

And yes, I’ve talked to people who have gone to those “red” zones, and indeed, prostitution is flourishing there. However, it is flourishing in the rest of Mexico. I could see prostitution daily if I wanted to, because it’s all over. So, legalizing it seemed to do next to nothing to limit the problem. If anything, I think prostitution has expanded here.

I guess some thought it might decrease the mafia’s power. The mafia is alive and well, seemingly unaffected by all this legalization.

We had one administration here who legalized graffiti in certain areas. Again, the thought would be that if they had certain areas where it was legal, the graffitists would do their graffiti there and leave the rest of the city alone.

Now, the graffiti areas are, indeed, plastered with graffiti. However, this did NOTHING to stop graffiti in the rest of the city.

I know someone in the Denver area. People sometimes go to these places to get marijuana, and some people go who actually wouldn’t have gone before. I know, because I talked to one.

So, I don’t see what effect legalization will have. If anything, I think it’ll make law enforcement more difficult. The drug sniffing dogs can find it, and then they will need to take it out and weight it.

Also, since it’s legal, what about if I have a neighbor in an apartment who uses, and I don’t want to get “high”? In the past, I could call the police and report this. Now, I guess I’ll need to get “high” with him?

What if I have a job that does drug testing, will I risk losing my job if a neighbor’s smoke waft’s over to my apartment?
 
And who will play for rehabilitation? It’s like saying “I know the risks but I’ll do it anyway” followed by “Can somebody provide me treatment because I am unable to treat myself.”

Peace,
Ed
 
Drugs and alcohol can not co exist with family.

It should be common sense, to anyone , who wishes to have some level of stability in their life. I do not even know, why Pope Francis would even have to mention this.
 
Kount_C said:
Drugs and alcohol can not co exist with family.

It should be common sense, to anyone , who wishes to have some level of stability in their life. I do not even know, why Pope Francis would even have to mention this.
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…The vast majority of the Catholic priests and lay people I know drink alcohol…
 
Can you do drugs without getting high? Can you drink alcohol without getting drunk? The efficacy of the two are completely different and therefore cannot be made similar.

IMO marijuana has an intoxicating effect that surpasses that of just a light buzz. The effects of marijuana to the brain and current studies are just recently being completed… Many consequences of prolonged use have been documented. (Eg., schizophrenia, memory loss, personality disorders etc…) The unpredictability of “mind-altering” or “hard” drugs is enough to leave this question blatantly clear for any practicing catholic. If we are called to truly follow cross and, in the words of Athanasius, become like the saints so we can understand them in truth, we are called to limit the pleasures of this world.

Would you engage in an activity that can alter your mind and fuel temptation? Are we called to be a slave to the world? Bondage occurs when we knit ourself to things that are not of God and degrade humans in the likeness and image of God. (Sorry if I’m being too preachy).

Drugs separate us by controlling us and making us a slave to them. To ask the question whether ALL drugs are bad for you is way different. To ask the question whether illegal drugs or drugs known to cause harmful side-effects should be allowed is what we are addressing and what the Pope addressed.
 
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And who will play for rehabilitation? It’s like saying “I know the risks but I’ll do it anyway” followed by “Can somebody provide me treatment because I am unable to treat myself.”

Peace,
Ed
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Thanks to recent changes, in Colorado and other states, EBT cards can now be used at pot-shops. So now not only do the working, productive, responsible members of society have to pay for people ruining their lives with these drugs, they must also pay for the drug itself.

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Hobbes42 said:
Thanks to recent changes, in Colorado and other states, EBT cards can now be used at pot-shops. So now not only do the working, productive, responsible members of society have to pay for people ruining their lives with these drugs, they must also pay for the drug itself.

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Aren’t EBT cards for food?

Ed
 
But one problem is that if you make it illegal you create a barrier to treatment. For example, alcohol is legal but it can be abused. If I thought I had a problem I could seek out help without fear of losing my job or house. On the other hand, if I had a problem with an illegal drug I’d have a real fear of losing my job, house, etc. I’d be somewhat fearful of seeking out treatment since it requires me to admit to a crime with real penalties.
 
infinitepaschal said:
Can you do drugs without getting high?
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Yes, but no one does. It defeats the purpose. Recreational MJ use is all about self-medication.

Drinking on the other hand, can be done for flavor, not just self-medication. So drinking may be problematic, whereas MJ is pretty much always problematic.
 
Also, what if this happens with babies present and children? Do they have a right to not be “high”? Will that have to be established, later?

What recourse will we have if they are all now operating within the law?
 
Some will use the argument about how, with Prohibition, we tried to police morality, and it didn’t work, resulted in mafias, etc.

However, alcohol is different on a bunch of levels. Number one, alcohol has been accepted for millenia as part of our culture. Marijuana has not, but it may be if it continues like it’s going.

Further, marijuana affects anybody who is within breathing range.
 
Hi, I have seen numerous threads about legalizing marijuana, but I just had to comment that alcohol has destroyed more families, killed more people, and will continue to do more damage to the family and the world than marijuana ever could. Fact.
 
With alcohol, one can choose to drink. With marijuana, one can be in a family of a marijuana user, I think come up positive on testing, then be denied a job, get “high”, etc. The consequences are quite bad, and how will we protect the rights of those who don’t want to get “high” due to the fact others in their vicinity are using?
 
SquallLeonheart said:
Hi, I have seen numerous threads about legalizing marijuana, but I just had to comment that alcohol has destroyed more families, killed more people, and will continue to do more damage to the family and the world than marijuana ever could. Fact.
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Now, would you like marijuana to expand so that it catches up with alcohol?

We celebrated the legalization of marijuana by having the world’s largest marijuana party. Do we want to become a nation of addicts?

I don’t want to get high if I happen to have someone in my apartment building next door who’s in an addict. If working, I could lose my job, and for what? So that my neighbor can smoke marijuana?
 
I think a lot of times when people pull out information on alcohol killing more people than marijuana that it’s often because they use marijuana. I think they are looking for a way to rationalize it to seem more acceptable and overlook and evidence to the contrary.
 
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