Marital Act Question

[Blue_Horizon]

You are free to disagree with the reflections of the Church’s greatest minds on their experience of life since apostolic times.
I am simply very summarily explaining the historical basis of the Church’s current position and the considerable reflection and debate on these issues.

Perhaps you are close on the continuum to that 6%.
Personal experiences obviously seems to differ.
It doesn’t worry me.

 

[AdamP88]

You are free to disagree with the reflections of the Church’s greatest minds on their experience of life since apostolic times.

I am simply explaining the historical basis of the Church’s current position and the considerable reflection and debate on these issues.

You seem unwilling to admit that the Church historically held that drunkenness (beyond perhaps being “mildly tipsy”) was mortally sinful, and still is. And to say that sex in marriage is on the same moral level drunkenness is just wrong from a theological perspective. This is irrelevant to the OP’s question anyway. Let’s not hijack the thread.

 

[Blue_Horizon]

You seem unwilling to admit that the Church historically held that drunkenness (beyond perhaps being “mildly tipsy”) was mortally sinful

I really dont know what your beef is.
You have gone off topic, my quick portrayal of the history of the Church only slowly coming to a balanced understanding of the place of reason, passion and sinfulness/goodness of the sexual act is fairly boilerplate…you are free to get picky over the analogy I used to clarify it .

And no, I do not believe it is a sin to sometimes prudentially choose to temporarily lose the use of reason.That is exactly the basis on which Aquinas repudiated Augustine who held that even marital sex was likely venially sinful. It is an extremely important point for respecting the essential goodness of the world and of human nature even after the fall and in the presence of concupiscence. This seems to be an important consideration underlying the original posters concern over tha “animality” of the sexual act. It appears to be exactly the lifelong difficulty Augustine and many other holy people struggled with.

If you want to argue over your non Catholic assertion that excess drinking is always “grave matter” (I presume that is what you mean by the inaccurate predication “mortally sinful”) then feel free to start your own topic and I am happy to discuss that with you. It sounds like you may be from a Protestant or Irish Catholic background. It is my experience that the Irish have difficulty gaining a balanced view on the topic of alcohol. You will need to provide some Magisterial sources though to oppose the Catechism quote I provided you which hardly backs your personal dogmas re alcohol use.

 

[JoyToTheWhirled]

I have struggled with the same feelings, for entirely the opposite reasons, my past is somewhat chequered and I had trouble when I married because of feeling guilt about the act itself because of how I had abused it beforehand.

I was helped greatly by the advice of an older woman who suggested I considered it an act of total self giving and really meditated on that. It is possible to get to a place of not thinking of things in terms of ‘animal passion’, but total freedom, and great pleasure. Fret not, and enjoy your husband. It’s a good and right thing.

 

[TotusTuusForever]

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