Marital problems overwhelming me

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We have long-standing marital problems.
I’m 70 years old, wife is 68.
After one of my several spine surgeries, I was laid off from my career in corporate research in 1994, and was forced into disability retirement in 1995. I don’t like being retired; I was much happier when I had a job to do. I’m dealing with health problems stemming from several unsuccessful lumbar spine surgeries; I’ve had both hips replaced in the past year; I had a heart attack followed by a quad bypass in 2007. Walking is laborious at the present.

My wife has never worked outside the house for more than a few weeks at a time. We married in June, 1969. We have two grown sons, and because my wife wanted (closer to “demanded”) a daughter, we adopted our 27 year-old daughter (at birth) who has mental difficulties (FAE/FAS) and still lives with us, likely a permanent situation. My wife is seen periodically by psychiatrist for a number of issues relating primarily to depression, I believe. She takes doses of Remeron daily and Trazodone when she feels like it .

In June, 2001, we began some counseling sessions at a counseling center, until my wife refused to continue going, “due to what it cost.” Personally, I think she quit because she didn’t want to believe that she and I really had problems, but the reality was beginning to become evident.

Our differences revolve around money, to a great extent, along with her immature behavior; she wants things that we simply cannot afford, (like a second, winter home in Arizona) and refuses to understand the concept of fiscal prudence. Our combined income from Social Security and my >$500 monthly pension is barely adequate to make our mortgage payment and pay bills. I am frequently forced to dip into our savings, which have now dwindled to about a single month’s income.

My wife usually stays in bed sleeping until past noon, sometimes past 1:00PM. She stays up until well past 3.00AM because “she isn’t tired yet.” Particularly during this brutal winter, she obsesses over the weather, complaining and exaggerating about the cold, the snow, the wind, or in the summer, the heat. Currently, she wraps herself in a blanket whenever she sits down, even to eat. If it’s cloudy outdoors, she sits in front of a therapy lamp box because she says she has S.A.D. I haven’t seen any positive results, however. My wife behaves childishly, essentially throwing a silent tantrum or whining and complaining until she gets what she wants. She doesn’t believe that we really have any problems; if I just do what she wants, and give her what she demands, regardless of what it entails, there won’t be anything wrong.

I hate to say this, but in years past, I’ve consulted a few attorneys to see just what my options might be if I chose to end the marriage; from what I’ve been told, I don’t have any realistic choices. In Illinois, I’ve been advised that during a dissolution of marriage, a wife always gets the marital house, car, children and spousal support, particularly if she has no other source of income. One of the lawyers I consulted told me he had almost a dozen “marital dissolution” cases in my county where the men had to forfeit everything they had, and he was appealing all of them… at a lot of expense to the men. I simply can’t afford that. One smart-Alec lawyer who I talked with, even said “You’d be better off if you were dead.” I’m beginning to agree with him.

I made a promise to God and my wife 44 years ago to love, honor, respect, etc. That promise is getting to be a bigger burden than I’m able to carry.

So, in reality, just what can I do?
 
My advice is to pray, talk to a priest and offer up your suffering to God. I know that’s of little consolation to someone who needs immediate relief from their problems but ultimately this is where God wants you.

With these issues you’ve listed, I see a real opportunity for you to attain a high degree of sanctity. Divorce isn’t the answer.

Remember God never puts us in a situation we can’t handle without His divine assistance. Have recourse to Thee.

You’ll be in my prayers.
 
PonyGuy said:

“I’ve been advised that during a dissolution of marriage, a wife always gets the marital house, car, children and spousal support, particularly if she has no other source of income. One of the lawyers I consulted told me he had almost a dozen “marital dissolution” cases in my county where the men had to forfeit everything they had, and he was appealing all of them… at a lot of expense to the men. I simply can’t afford that.”

I can’t speak much to the interpersonal issues (I wasn’t even born when you guys were married), but I really have to wonder about the financial side of the legal advice you’ve been given. You have what, a car, a house and a month’s income in your savings. Even if your wife gets everything you’ve got, that is not a lot (particularly if you still have a mortgage after 45 years of marriage). Purely financially speaking, I suspect that divorce would leave you better off. However, I suspect that either or both of you will wind up in the nursing home much faster if you divorce, as you won’t be able to provide mutual aid. With your health in the state it is, even just a little help might be the difference between independent living and a Medicaid nursing home. (My grandparents are in their late 80s/early 90s and living independently, largely due to the fact that they have each other’s help.)

Can you get your wife to a personal finance class (for instance Dave Ramsey’s Financial Peace University) and can you plan a monthly budget and start an envelope system with her, with cash withdrawn and put in the envelope each week? (There should be how-tos on Youtube.) I realize that it’s very late in the day to start this and that it’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks, but perhaps the visual cue of little or no money in an envelope would be helpful to her. A lot of people struggle with our plastic financial system, because it’s all so very abstract. (It’s like “how can I be out of money? I still have checks!” except worse.) With an envelope system, you spend until the money in the envelope is gone, and then you stop.

Best wishes!
 
I agree with MBN you should consult a priest.

After reading your post I truly feel for you, I believe one of the things men (at least I do) fear the most is not being able to provide and it looks to me that you provided throughout your life and medical issues unfortunatly hindered your later years, always remember this. One other thing that came to mind is even if the issues are caused by her, she is in need of your support more then ever, even if you never receive any gratitude. I get the feeling your relationship was good for most of your marriage (I could be wrong) remember that this is the mother of your children (even if adopted). Through your love you have made it through the “easy” years of life and this may just be the tribulations which have been bought upon you. As difficult as I am sure it can be show only love toward your wife and with that I hope that she will return that love with genuine understanding.

I wish you both the best. God Bless.
 
hi,
I love the pic of that movie character/ if i remember correctly-the protagonist has lost his wife and makes a journey, with a brave boy scout, and meets that dog with the high tech-talking dog collar…there is the other character as antagonist…the best of dramas here…a happy ending does not get there without a struggle; it finds a way…I read your post, as though the message is the end of something…I cannot advise…as the OP requests an answer to what may happen in the future…
I am not a fan of lawyers…
i review the issue with lawyers like middle school students/ in a hall fight, which can be among school friends…the teacher might observe the ‘gang’ in the hall (who become protagonists)…while, ‘instigators’ surround, and advise ,“well hit him…you know what he said about you…”
the teacher knows a bit about conflict resolution and later advises, in context, “Listen to your own voice, less to the instigators…”
Lawyers/ instigators…perhaps to argue these can be the same…
and help is from other sources.and the prudent voice is the inner voice…“Listen to your own voice…” that being the case, if realistic, the next step…is a bit of an experiment…that in human terms, alone, a man has to answer:" Just who are you?" or if you sit alone, our baptism is most apparent, that we sit with the Holy Spirit. He helps you answer. This is opposite to tunnel vision, as though some image of ourselves appears in a deeper meditation…Not so, Not prayer, and Not good … that we view our self and listen to advise of projected images and then call it prayer…The Holy Spirit can resolve the most strangest , alien, time impending problems…
then, surely, to sit with any or your favorite persons of the Trinity, either welcoming Father, Son, or Holy Spirit…is to help answer, without doubt; “Just who are you?”
There is no invasive bench mark, that last stone we tripped, no wayward compass…while, i think ‘pain’ cannot be a real bench mark/ because ‘pain’ as one feels it in the body might be deceptive…your best company to keep next to you, therefore, at least the Holy Spirit…a counselor…

As my post…must persuade -an answer to your problem, that is an answer to a maze of quandry and dilemma, that a new turn in your life, and your families lives, sources from prayer, and how you pray/I remain a believer that a good sacramental life, a life in the sacraments, makes a good prayer life…

Introspection is not running, yet takes a honesty- to review one’s whole life-a new identity realized; (sit with the Holy Sprit) then share even your anger-expressed at a God-who wold turn the other cheek-would love anyway; enter the time of the Holy Spirit, despite your suffering; he has a different wrist watch!! chance the opportunity of a life time to sit with the Holy Spirit/ while prayer, and church life, and retirement naturally go together; retirement would be a happy time, as the retirement years would hopefully, promote a life, to say, this will be the best times of our lives…then make it so…
 
We have long-standing marital problems.
I’m 70 years old, wife is 68.
After one of my several spine surgeries, I was laid off from my career in corporate research in 1994, and was forced into disability retirement in 1995. I don’t like being retired; I was much happier when I had a job to do. I’m dealing with health problems stemming from several unsuccessful lumbar spine surgeries; I’ve had both hips replaced in the past year; I had a heart attack followed by a quad bypass in 2007. Walking is laborious at the present.

My wife has never worked outside the house for more than a few weeks at a time. We married in June, 1969. We have two grown sons, and because my wife wanted (closer to “demanded”) a daughter, we adopted our 27 year-old daughter (at birth) who has mental difficulties (FAE/FAS) and still lives with us, likely a permanent situation. My wife is seen periodically by psychiatrist for a number of issues relating primarily to depression, I believe. She takes doses of Remeron daily and Trazodone when she feels like it .

In June, 2001, we began some counseling sessions at a counseling center, until my wife refused to continue going, “due to what it cost.” Personally, I think she quit because she didn’t want to believe that she and I really had problems, but the reality was beginning to become evident.

Our differences revolve around money, to a great extent, along with her immature behavior; she wants things that we simply cannot afford, (like a second, winter home in Arizona) and refuses to understand the concept of fiscal prudence. Our combined income from Social Security and my >$500 monthly pension is barely adequate to make our mortgage payment and pay bills. I am frequently forced to dip into our savings, which have now dwindled to about a single month’s income.

My wife usually stays in bed sleeping until past noon, sometimes past 1:00PM. She stays up until well past 3.00AM because “she isn’t tired yet.” Particularly during this brutal winter, she obsesses over the weather, complaining and exaggerating about the cold, the snow, the wind, or in the summer, the heat. Currently, she wraps herself in a blanket whenever she sits down, even to eat. If it’s cloudy outdoors, she sits in front of a therapy lamp box because she says she has S.A.D. I haven’t seen any positive results, however. My wife behaves childishly, essentially throwing a silent tantrum or whining and complaining until she gets what she wants. She doesn’t believe that we really have any problems; if I just do what she wants, and give her what she demands, regardless of what it entails, there won’t be anything wrong.

I hate to say this, but in years past, I’ve consulted a few attorneys to see just what my options might be if I chose to end the marriage; from what I’ve been told, I don’t have any realistic choices. In Illinois, I’ve been advised that during a dissolution of marriage, a wife always gets the marital house, car, children and spousal support, particularly if she has no other source of income. One of the lawyers I consulted told me he had almost a dozen “marital dissolution” cases in my county where the men had to forfeit everything they had, and he was appealing all of them… at a lot of expense to the men. I simply can’t afford that. One smart-Alec lawyer who I talked with, even said “You’d be better off if you were dead.” I’m beginning to agree with him.

I made a promise to God and my wife 44 years ago to love, honor, respect, etc. That promise is getting to be a bigger burden than I’m able to carry.

So, in reality, just what can I do?
i’m sorry to hear this. i will pray for you. unfortunately i really don’t have much advice. i think your wife should have gotten a job personally when you were unable to work anymore but i’m not one to judge your situation. oh yeah, and the others are rightr; talk to your priest
 
Hello PonyGuy -

I recognize you are in a difficult situation and the fact you have an adult daughter that is mentally ill living with you makes it worse. I sense you feel boxed in with no place to go.

Stress is a killer and puts you at great risk because of your coronary artery disease. I know because I had coronary bypass surgery several years ago followed up with several stints over the years.

Here is my recommendation. Print your original post. Then make an appointment with a parish priest that you respect and let him read the post before any discussion begins. I say that because you have written a clear, concise description of the situation as you see it and it can be used as a guide during your discussions. At the same time, find a good psychologist or licensed counselor. Take the same approach with them. Bring a copy of your post and have him/her read it before any discussion begins. If after a couple of sessions you are not happy with your counselor find another, and another, and another until you do find someone that you can work with.

Are you on good terms with your sons? Are your sons aware of the issues you are facing and the health risks they pose to you? Are they willing to talk with their mother? Can they, will they, support you in telling your wife that your financial situation has hit rock bottom and the cupboard is bare?

Reading between the lines I think the attorneys you consulted have advised that divorce is not in your best interests.

Peace to you my friend. I wish you well and a satisfactory solution to your dilemma.
 
Thanks for your prayers and consideration, everyone. They are certainly appreciated.

I’ve avoided discussing the situation with my siblings, mostly because I’m a little embarrassed talking about it, and most of those siblings have failed marriages already. 😦

I have a feeling that they sort of look up to me as an example of success… and since I’m already a disappointment to myself, I don’t want to be seen as an additional failure to them.

Nuts!
 
… My wife is seen periodically by psychiatrist for a number of issues relating primarily to depression, I believe. She takes doses of Remeron daily and Trazodone when she feels like it .
…" Particularly during this brutal winter, she obsesses over the weather, complaining and exaggerating about the cold, the snow, the wind, or in the summer, the heat. Currently, she wraps herself in a blanket whenever she sits down, even to eat. If it’s cloudy outdoors, she sits in front of a therapy lamp box because she says she has S.A.D. I haven’t seen any positive results, however. My wife behaves childishly, essentially throwing a silent tantrum or whining and complaining until she gets what she wants. She doesn’t believe that we really have any problems; if I just do what she wants, and give her what she demands, regardless of what it entails, there won’t be anything wrong…
…So, in reality, just what can I do?
How can anyone exaggerate about the current winter??? A news story today said it’s been the worst winter in 30 years using some misery index scientists developed that factors things like cold and snow. :winter:
You may want to talk to your wife’s psychiatrist to find out what her diagnosis is and what might be done to help the situation. I personally found a book called “Winter Blues” helpful. Maybe there may be some simple things that you can do to help her deal with winter this year.
 
How can anyone exaggerate about the current winter???
How?

Maybe you’d be surprised at the totally absurd stuff that happens hereabouts… you’d think that weather was something that was my fault, or something over which I some semblance of control.

My choices seem to be:
1.) Suck on a gorilla’s nose until his lungs collapse.
or
2.) Slide down a razor-topped banister into a vat of alcohol.

I feel as if sitting beneath the sword of Damocles would be a vacation…

Thanks, anyway, for the prayers…
 
I would think that even the happiest marriages would suffer if both husband and wife had to spend every minute together.

You both need a bit of time away from each other and focus on enjoyable things to start. She sounds like she wants to look forward to something everyday, is a bit depressed and is taking her boredom out on you. Another house may not be want she wants- it may just be the excitement of a new experience.

I would do seperate hobbies, volunteer if you can, and think about what activities you both enjoy and start on them.

Best wishes and prayers to you.
 
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