Marital Relations

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I looked up Ott just to make sure and lo and behold I did leave something out: the secondary purpose is mutual help and the licit satisfaction of the sex urge.

Thanks for the heads up.

Scott
 
And Ott makes a very good reason why approaching marital relations from a standpoint of personalism and phenomenology makes more real world sense than from a scholastic, or Thomistic point of view.

Marriage runs much deeper, and marital relations run much deeper, than the licitness of orgasm. It is not a far step from that statement to the misguided belief that somehow sexual relations at their very base are somehow a bit dirty. It is amazing how many people seem to feel that way, and I speak specifically of people who would qualify as “good Catholics”.
 
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Brendan:
It was prohibited under the Mosaic Law as “unclean”. The ritual law was abolished in the New Convenant.

It is no more sinful than eating Lobster or a Cheeseburger.
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17] "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is

Don’t think it was abolished and I can’t imagine that something that was offensive to God would suddenly not be. I’d need an example of an OT law that Jesus abolished. I’m pretty sure it is sinful.
 
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Brendan:
It was prohibited under the Mosaic Law as “unclean”. The ritual law was abolished in the New Convenant.

It is no more sinful than eating Lobster or a Cheeseburger.
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17] "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is

Don’t think it was abolished and I can’t imagine that something that was offensive to God would suddenly not be. I’d need an example of an OT law that Jesus abolished. I’m pretty relations during menstration sinful.
 
Mothers Boy:
I’d need an example of an OT law that Jesus abolished. I’m pretty sure it is sinful.
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Brendan already gave you an example in his post - the laws relating to kosher food. Christians can eat lobster (and pork, etc.), and can eat meat and milk products (e.g., cheeseburgers) from the same plate, and so on.
 
Bible quotes:
[Romans 7:6] But now we are released from the law, dead to what held us captive, so that we may serve in the newness of the spirit and not under the obsolete letter.
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[Romans 8:2] For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has freed you from the law of sin and death.
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[Romans 10:4] For Christ is the end of the law for the justification of everyone who has faith.
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How about Acts 10? Peter goes into a trance and sees many animals and is ordered to kill and eat. Peter protests saying he can’t eat profane or unclean things. God says what he has made clean must not be called profane.

I can already hear the objection that this is symbolic of Peter’s mission to preach to the Gentiles. So it is, but God would not lie even in the context of a symbolic vision.

Scott
 
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