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Gwillym
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Hey guys I came accross this quote on CARM.org from Marius Victorinus. It was labeled as evidence from the fathers that Baptism is not necessary for salvation.
Here’s the quote:
“Every mystery which is enacted by our Lord Jesus Christ asks only for faith. The mystery was enacted at that time for our sake and aimed at our resurrection and liberation, should we have faith in the mystery of Christ and in Christ. For the patriarchs prefigured and foretold that man would be justified from faith. Therefore, just as it was reckoned as righteousness to Abraham that he had faith, so we too, if we have faith in Christ and every mystery of his, will be sons of Abraham. Our whole life will be accounted as righteous.”
Now, besides the fact that this quotes says NOTHING about baptism and is only an argument against baptism if we presuppose a conflict between faith in Christ and faith in the Sacraments. I wanted to ask if anyone has any insight into what Marius means by “mystery”. He says “Every mystery which is enacted by Our Lord Jeuss Christ…” and then says we will be reckoned righteous if we have faith in Christ and every mystery of His. I’m no Greek scholar, and Marius is probably writing in latin, but isn’t sacrament and mystery the same word in greek? Could this quote actually backfire? Is Marius actually saying we should have faith in Christ and Christ’s Sacraments?
Thanks,
Gwillym
Here’s the quote:
“Every mystery which is enacted by our Lord Jesus Christ asks only for faith. The mystery was enacted at that time for our sake and aimed at our resurrection and liberation, should we have faith in the mystery of Christ and in Christ. For the patriarchs prefigured and foretold that man would be justified from faith. Therefore, just as it was reckoned as righteousness to Abraham that he had faith, so we too, if we have faith in Christ and every mystery of his, will be sons of Abraham. Our whole life will be accounted as righteous.”
Now, besides the fact that this quotes says NOTHING about baptism and is only an argument against baptism if we presuppose a conflict between faith in Christ and faith in the Sacraments. I wanted to ask if anyone has any insight into what Marius means by “mystery”. He says “Every mystery which is enacted by Our Lord Jeuss Christ…” and then says we will be reckoned righteous if we have faith in Christ and every mystery of His. I’m no Greek scholar, and Marius is probably writing in latin, but isn’t sacrament and mystery the same word in greek? Could this quote actually backfire? Is Marius actually saying we should have faith in Christ and Christ’s Sacraments?
Thanks,
Gwillym