Mark 5:1-20 Reading for Jan 31, 2005

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In today’s reading Jresus drives out Legion in the demonic. They enter the swing and drown in the sea. Any thoughts on the economic impact that this may have had on the people of the area? Is this one of the reasons that that the people wanted Jesus. “Then they began to beg him to leave their district.”
 
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DaddyO:
In today’s reading Jresus drives out Legion in the demonic. They enter the swing and drown in the sea. Any thoughts on the economic impact that this may have had on the people of the area? Is this one of the reasons that that the people wanted Jesus. “Then they began to beg him to leave their district.”
It is not unreasonable to understand the financial loss led some to ask Jesus to depart.

It may be more spiritually rewarding to see those non-Jews as resisting the spread of the gospel message.

In Scott Hahn’s bible study of Mark, he notes the similar fates that befall those who fight against the will of God. Pharoh’s soldiers are drowned in the Red Sea when they seek to enslave the Jews once again.

Legion has enslaved the Gerasene demoniac, who ran to Jesus and worshipped Him. Legion receives the same fate as Pharoh’s troops.

It’s an interesting fit, but you may want to spend a bit of time with it.

Peace in Christ…Salmon
 
where were the Gaderene swine being raised, given that Jews do not eat the meat, is this a pagan city or region? probably raising them to feed Roman troops of occupation, and so cooperating with the oppressor? is there a clue to deeper meaning here? I ask in ignorance waiting for instruction.
 
This story is frequently discussed because it is so clearly a symbolic story inserted to teach and comfort rather than relate an actual event. Here are some thoughts I am borrowing from various sources while researching this:

To start with there is no such place near or opposite Galilee in any direction. The only town in the Israel of the time that was spelled anything like Gerasene was thirty miles from the nearest water so the swine would have had a long run. So we need to look at the story again and when we do we find it is not an actual event in the historical life of Jesus but an event in the spiritual life of the early church that owes its existence to Jesus.

Jews hated nudity and wouldn’t take part in the athletics of the day because the runners were naked. No surprise then in Luke’s story that the man possessed by demons wore no clothes and lived among the remains of the dead, a place that frightened the Hebrew people. Who then does this man represent?
We get the clue in verse 30 when his name is given as Legion. The common name for Rome, a military dictatorship, was ‘Legions’ because that was what the army was, legions of soldiers. As far as our story is concerned the man had legions of demons because anyone and everyone who stood in opposition to Rome considered Rome to comprise legions of evil ways. As the story says, “for many legions had entered him”, it was the perfect description.

At the time this was written, the early church was making inroads into the Roman psyche. At verse 28 the demonic man says to Jesus, “I beg you do not torment me” for Jesus had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of him. The early Christian Church was on a crusade to reform Roman society and with some delight the author is saying that the old society was begging for mercy as Christianity swept on, changing structures and people’s thinking.

In our story we then have a reference to previous efforts to control Rome. “He was bound with chains and shackles but he would break the bonds and be driven by the demon into the wilds.” Other armies, it is saying, have tried to tie up Rome and nations have rebelled against the Roman rule and maybe the writer was thinking of the attempt by the Zealots and Jerusalem Christians in their war against Rome that destroyed the Jerusalem Temple in AD70, but in every known attempt to overthrow it Rome soon broke free of the attempt to restrain it and resorted to even more violence and evil to maintain control over their victims – but against Jesus the might of Rome, it seems, had no answer.

Where then are the evils of Rome to be banished?

To answer that we must consider one of the things that marked Hebrews out from the rest of their Semitic neighbors. They had different eating habits, their diet was different, and what is significant, they never ate pork. Over the course of time pork and pigs came to represent all that was bad in their neighbors and in foreigners so when they had to get rid of evil from Rome, to send it into pigs and have them hurtle into a death by drowning was a sweet justice.

The swineherds of the story are the pork-eating foreigners who become alarmed at the success of the Christians and tell everyone what is happening but that also just gives greater publicity to the fact that those who have converted to Christianity live, not just better lives, but wholesome healed lives.
 
patg:
This story is frequently discussed because it is so clearly a symbolic story inserted to teach and comfort rather than relate an actual event.
Gee. It sounds like an actual event to me,
Here are some thoughts I am borrowing from various sources while researching this:
Be careful, some sources are unreliable and modernist in their approach.

patg:
To start with there is no such place near or opposite Galilee in any direction. The only town in the Israel of the time that was spelled anything like Gerasene was thirty miles from the nearest water so the swine would have had a long run.
What is your point? Scripture does not name this town or village.

Mark 5: 1 And they came over the strait of the sea, into the country of the Gerasens.

Sometimes a town or village may be named after the residents, or residents may be named after towns, but not always. Your point that the Gerasenes must have lived in “Gerasene City” or something similar is a huge assumption (not to mention the fact that the description in scripture leads us to believe that this is very rural and hardly an urban development).

My source (A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture, 1957, Nelson) says:
Once again it is noteworthy that Mark’s account of this and the subsequent incidents, 21-43, is characterized by touches of realism and graphic detail which immediately suggest that the evangelist’s information came from an eye-witness. Instead of “Gerasenes”, which is the best supported reading in Mk., some witnesses to the text read “Gadarenes” (cf. Matt. 8:28) or “Gergesenes” (cf. LK. 8:26). The latter reading is probably an emendation due to Origen (cf. PG 14 270).
While it is clear that the cure of the demoniac was performed on the eastern shore of the lake, the place has not been identified with certainty. It is unlikely that the name “Gerasenes” should be connected with the well-known city of the Decapolis called Gerasa (modern Jerash) which lies some 30 m. to the SE in Transjordan. It has been suggested, however, that the territory of Gerasa reached the lake shore and that the lakeside inhabitants were therefore called “Gerasenes”, but that the town to which the Gerasenes belonged was evidently close to the lake.
Peace in Christ…Salmon
 
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puzzleannie:
where were the Gaderene swine being raised, given that Jews do not eat the meat, is this a pagan city or region? probably raising them to feed Roman troops of occupation, and so cooperating with the oppressor? is there a clue to deeper meaning here?
I think you have already found it.

Kinda neat, huh?

Peace in Christ…Salmon
 
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Salmon:
Gee. It sounds like an actual event to me,
Then you and I agree that the authors were good at their craft. The same can be said of most fiction.
Be careful, some sources are unreliable and modernist in their approach.
I am careful - I only use the most highly respected, church supported modern scholarly research. I prefer this to simplistic literalism.
What is your point? Scripture does not name this town or village.
True. But a reference to the name would help the cause of historicity.
 
I was wondering do demonic spirits know how to swim? :confused: God Bless
 
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patg:
I am careful - I only use the most highly respected, church supported modern scholarly research.
Careful enough not to name your “source” that testifies that this historical event never took place.

patg:
I prefer this to simplistic literalism.
Catechism of the Catholic Church Paragraph: 116
The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: “All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal.”
If you start with the literal and move to the spiritual, you may avoid errors incumbent with junking the literal altogether.

patg:
True. But a reference to the name would help the cause of historicity.
If that was the main function of scripture, I’m sure that we would agree that it would have been written differently.

Peace in Christ…Salmon
 
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