Mark 9:33 and the Papacy

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Curious few verses I just came across and wanted to know your (name removed by moderator)ut…

Dont these verses also support the papacy? Though it doesn’t suggest the who, it does suggest that someone is suppose to be the “head” apostle

Mark 9:33-35

First two verses… Jesus hears the apostles arguing about who is the greatest apostle.

This is important because it indicates even the apostles thought that there should be a head. If the apostles never thought that someone should be head, why even argue about it

35 - Jesus’s response. Jesus didn’t respond with a “there shouldn’t be in anyone in charge” or “Each of you are equal” or even “Each of you should be able to determine what is truth if you follow the scriptures, and therefore all equal” this was a perfect chance to rebuke the idea of someone being in charge. Keep in mind, he’s God, he knew there would be a Catholic Church so he knew the largest single “denomination” would claim that there is suppose to be a head. Perfect chance to nip that in the bud if he didn’t want that…

No… Instead, he says… “Who ever shall be the greatest, shall be the least and the servant to all…”

Isn’t that the Job description of the pope?

Though he is the head, his job is to be the humblest SERVANT of the church…

Just a thought

In Christ
 
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I just wonder why so many people have such an issue with there being a head presbyter.

if its ok to have head pastors for churches and denominations, why is it so wrong that Christ would institute a head pastor for ALL Christianity. Same premise…

anyway…

In Christ
 
Daniel_Marsh said:
look up zealot for background information on this text.
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Sorry, Daniel, that’s a bit too obscure for me, although I have a B. A. in Bible studies. 😉

Look up zealot where? According to whom? And what are you driving at? :confused:

heisenburg, I’d never thought of those verses in quite that way before, but I’m sure the Church has since it takes one of the pope’s titles from the verse you cited, specifically: the Servant of the Servants of God. 👍
 
Also consider Jesus’ instructions to Peter at the end of the John’s Gospel. “Feed my Lambs”, “Feed my Sheep”, “Tend my Sheep” (paraphrasing).

The Shepherding theme that Jesus is assigning to Peter’s role brings up the point that the Shepherding duty was usually assigned to the youngest able-bodied boy of the family. We see an example of this with David, who was the youngest of Jesse’s sons, and shephard for Jesse’s flocks.

The youngest is considered the least of the family, although God often elevated the younger to be the heroes of the bible. (Seth, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, etc.)
 
Good analysis. I agree with that observation.

Perhaps “last of all” in a very subtle way does refer to Peter. After all, he did deny Jesus 3 times. It shows that even though Peter was sinful, with the power of the Holy Spirit, he could lead Christ’s Church. The pope is not impeccable, but he is infallible when exercising this authority.
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How do our protestant brethren feel about this understanding and/or how do you read this verse

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