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I have a baptist friend who believes as protestants do that there is some upcoming mark in the forehead and the buying and selling thing. What does the church teach about this I know nothing about it.
The Bible mentions a mark that goes on the forehead and the hand in five passages in the Book of Revelation: Rev. 13:16-17, Rev. 14:9-11, Rev. 16:2, Rev. 19:20, and Rev. 20:4. The mark is typically known as the mark of the beast, and from Rev. 13:16-17 we know that it refers to “the beast’s name or the number of his name.” Several of these passages are cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 2113, which says this: 2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, “You cannot serve God and mammon." Many martyrs died for not adoring “the Beast,” refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God. [In the original text there is a footnote on the term “the Beast” that refers the reader to Revelation 13—14.]] What we should take away from that is two things: first, the mark of the beast is a symbolic way of describing idolatry. The Book of Revelation is full of symbolic language so that should not be surprising. To be marked with the sign of the beast means to be a worshiper of a false god. The second thing we should take away from that is that the Catechism interprets that as something that happened in history: people already have worshiped the beast and therefore already have been marked with his sign (which is symbolic). Classically, Catholics interpret the beast of Revelation (at least partly) as the pagan Roman empire. Regarding the reference to buying and selling, and how that can’t be done without having the mark of the beast (Rev. 13:16-17), that refers to the fact that Christianity was illegal throughout the pagan empire, and therefore excluded from society, including the economy. Christians were not allowed to buy or sell or set up shop at the market – they were supposed to be delivered up for imprisonment on sight.I have a baptist friend who believes as protestants do that there is some upcoming mark in the forehead and the buying and selling thing. What does the church teach about this I know nothing about it.
Thanks very much. I thought it might be something from history. A Roman emperor like Diocletan or such. I’ve heard anything that is not Christ is anti christ. Are anti-popes a similar concept to Anti-christ?The Bible mentions a mark that goes on the forehead and the hand in five passages in the Book of Revelation: Rev. 13:16-17, Rev. 14:9-11, Rev. 16:2, Rev. 19:20, and Rev. 20:4. The mark is typically known as the mark of the beast, and from Rev. 13:16-17 we know that it refers to “the beast’s name or the number of his name.” Several of these passages are cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 2113, which says this: 2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, “You cannot serve God and mammon." Many martyrs died for not adoring “the Beast,” refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God. [In the original text there is a footnote on the term “the Beast” that refers the reader to Revelation 13—14.]] What we should take away from that is two things: first, the mark of the beast is a symbolic way of describing idolatry. The Book of Revelation is full of symbolic language so that should not be surprising. To be marked with the sign of the beast means to be a worshiper of a false god. The second thing we should take away from that is that the Catechism interprets that as something that happened in history: people already have worshiped the beast and therefore already have been marked with his sign (which is symbolic). Classically, Catholics interpret the beast of Revelation (at least partly) as the pagan Roman empire. Regarding the reference to buying and selling, and how that can’t be done without having the mark of the beast (Rev. 13:16-17), that refers to the fact that Christianity was illegal throughout the pagan empire, and therefore excluded from society, including the economy. Christians were not allowed to buy or sell or set up shop at the market – they were supposed to be delivered up for imprisonment on sight.
Here is a third thing you might find interesting: the Book of Revelation not only says unbelievers are marked with the name of the beast, but it also says true believers are marked with the name of the Father – Rev. 14:1, Rev. 22:4. The Catechism quotes one of those passages in CCC 2159. That is important because it shows us that the mark is a spiritual mark: unbelievers have a spiritual mark that identifies them (spiritually) as idolaters, and Christians have a spiritual mark that identifies us (spiritually) as believers.
Although the mark of the beast refers principally to the pagan Roman empire, and to its sponsorship of paganism and persecution of Christians, that does not mean that it has no meaning for the End Times. Classically the Book of Revelation has been interpreted as having multiple layers of meaning: it is meant for persecuted Christians, especially in the pagan Roman empire, but it also has a special meaning for the great persecution of the Antichrist. During that time, Christians will again be persecuted and an alternative anti-God pro-humanist religion will be promoted – see CCC 675. The mark of the beast therefore will identify (spiritually) the followers of the Antichrist and his religion. I suppose it is possible, though there is no evidence for this, that the Antichrist might institute some physical mark for his followers as well – tattoos or microchips or whatever – and if that happens then this passage could be a reference to that, but again I stress that there is no evidence for that from the Book of Revelation, and we would only be able to know that in hindsight.
Anyway I hope that helps. God bless!
You might find this interesting too. In Jewish mysticism’s numerology/gematria 666 the anti-christ reverses to 999 the number of christ. So since these are two different numbers they are different but in a since they’re the same because they work together on us.Some manuscripts have 666 and some 616.
There is some interesting information on the internet about how Nero adds up to 666 in one language and 616 in another (off hand I think Hebrew and Greek). It is thought that 666 was recognizable to the Jew but the equivalent in Greek was 616 hence the adjustment in copying.
It requires an understanding that Revelation was written prior to AD70 rather than AD96, which I tend to agree with.
The mark is one of those many things that excite rapture dispensationalists premilleniallists which I think Baptists have grabbed hold of.
An antipope makes a claim to the chair of Peter, while the Antichrist will make a claim to be on par with God. The only similarity I see is that both are a cause of division.Thanks very much. I thought it might be something from history. A Roman emperor like Diocletan or such. I’ve heard anything that is not Christ is anti christ. Are anti-popes a similar concept to Anti-christ?
The mark of the beast is the anti-mark to the sealing in baptism of believers. It does not necessarily have to be understood in some literal way. The sacramental reality reflects that is is a sacred sign which accomplishes what it signifies. Anti-signs, like the anti-Christ, are merely imitations of what God does. Hence also contraception is the anti-sign for the marital embrace in light of the command to “be fruitful and multiply.” The better you grasp Church teaching on the sacraments and sacramentality, the better you will be able to grasp these kinds of things - it is a kind of key. God bless you.I have a baptist friend who believes as protestants do that there is some upcoming mark in the forehead and the buying and selling thing. What does the church teach about this I know nothing about it.
It will be a spiritual mark however as with anything internal - there are external fruits that accompany the mark. Both the good and the bad will be marked or sealed. Please note that God will also mark the name of the Father and Son on the forehead of believers as well [Revelation 3:12; 7:3; 14:1; 22:4].I have a baptist friend who believes as protestants do that there is some upcoming mark in the forehead and the buying and selling thing. What does the church teach about this I know nothing about it.
The book of Revelation, chapter 1 to chapter 21, is about what seven angels do and say. Chapter 1 explains that the seven angels are seven first century church leaders. So this is not a book about the 21s century, but about the first centuryI have a baptist friend who believes as protestants do that there is some upcoming mark in the forehead and the buying and selling thing. What does the church teach about this I know nothing about it.