Maronite Catholic Liturgy Video

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Aramis said:
Still looks interchangeable with Latin or some Lutheran parishes…
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You definitely would not have an icon in a Lutheran setting. It would be iffy if you could find one in a Latin Church as they tend to use more Western style artwork and/or statues.

In addition to the large icon of Christ: Giver of the Eucharist behind the main altar, there were two icons added on either side of the sanctuary - one of Saint Peter and one of Saint Paul (these are not shown in the picture - it looks like this picture is at least 1-2 years old). Also not in the picture is the field of blue with stars right behind the icon and the border at the top of the sanctuary.
 
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Hello,

You definitely would not have an icon in a Lutheran setting. It would be iffy if you could find one in a Latin Church as they tend to use more Western style artwork and/or statues.

In addition to the large icon of Christ: Giver of the Eucharist behind the main altar, there were two icons added on either side of the sanctuary - one of Saint Peter and one of Saint Paul (these are not shown in the picture - it looks like this picture is at least 1-2 years old). Also not in the picture is the field of blue with stars right behind the icon and the border at the top of the sanctuary.
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I’ve seen iconographic illustrations in Lutheran parishes. In Alaska. (My inlaws are all Lutherans… well 3 of the four… wife’s stepdad is a “recovering baptist preacher” hiding amongst the lutherans.)

That the illustrations are icons is less than clear in the photo, JMJ_Coder… I’ve seen several lutheran parishes (and quite a few RC) with similar murals that were not properly icons.

I was expecting MANY more steps! (Of course, all my dad’s library on the Maronites is pre-V II. He was tossed up between Ukrainian and Roman… He’s a Roman Deacon now.)
 
Hi everyone,

I like this one:

http://www.ourladysmaronite.org/images/photo-alter-200605.jpg

It’s from Our Lady’s Maronite Catholic Church in Austin, Texas.

Notice the opened white/clear veil in front. The veil is an ancient part of the structure of churches/temples in Syriac Christianity. It has its roots in the Jewish temple. The veil is opened during the Holy Liturgy to symbolize the tearing of the veil that separates God from man. In Scripture, this is referenced in Matt. 27:50-51 when after Jesus died, the veil of the temple was torn in two. Upon opening, the Church then enters into the heavenly Liturgy, and into communion with God.

God bless,

Rony
 
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Aramis said:
I’ve seen iconographic illustrations in Lutheran parishes.
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This would be surprising!!! How do they get around their morbid fear of graven images?

Do you have any pics?
Aramis said:
That the illustrations are icons is less than clear in the photo, JMJ_Coder… I’ve seen several lutheran parishes (and quite a few RC) with similar murals that were not properly icons.
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The icon is titled “Jesus Christ: Giver of the Eucharist”. I don’t think I have a larger or more detailed image of it, but I’ll look.
Aramis said:
I was expecting MANY more steps! (Of course, all my dad’s library on the Maronites is pre-V II. He was tossed up between Ukrainian and Roman… He’s a Roman Deacon now.)
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Well how many more did you expect?! There are no more than that number at my local Romanian Byzantine Catholic Church nor the local Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Church.

And think of the poor Priests! An elderly Priest was celebrating the Liturgy at the Shrine and it was all he could do to make it up and down those few steps. 😦
 
JMJ_coder said:
Hello,

This would be surprising!!! How do they get around their morbid fear of graven images?(
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That is what I wondered when I watched the video of my cousin’s wedding. He got married in Lutheranism - I came up with an excuse not to attend, because I could not be bothered to have to kneel before bread.

But at the parish he was at in Florida, there was actually a statue of Jesus behind the altar.

(Actually, it was above a sort of pseudo-altar that was *ad orientum *and never used in services, but doubtless was influenced by the German Lutheran Churches that used to be Catholic. They had altars they did not use in Germany any more, so by accident of historical aesthetic, this congregation put one in when the parish was built. Kind of like post-V2 churches that have side altars Or it could have been from an immigrant community in Lutheranism that still celebrated AO. Like the Danes.)

such as:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7581/sanctuaryhh3.jpg

Interestingly, this statue of Jesus in the Lutheran parish had a visible depiction of a heart the statue was pointing to.

How Detroit Lutherans got used to this:

http://www.ziondetroit.org/_images/pictures/theotokos.jpg

I will never understand.
 
Pius_X said:
youtube.com/watch?v=TdrEsc8IPYY

Father Jeffrey, a Pauline Priest with many You Tube videos, has placed a Maronite video up for viewing. I thought you guys might be interested.
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Which Divine Liturgy do the Maronite Catholics celebrate? I have heard it could be St. James Liturgy or the Liturgy of the Twelve Apostles, or The Liturgy of the Seventies ( Mar and Addis?)
The one I saw on the video looks very Western.
 
Re: Lutheranism

Unlike the Calvinist and Anglican branches of Protestant Christianity, classical Lutheranism never really engaged in massive and systematic iconoclasm. This is the reason why so many medieval churches in traditionally Lutheran lands have survived to this day with much of their iconography intact. At most, statues used for public veneration were removed; Luther himself encouraged sacred art. It should also be remembered that classical Lutheranism was liturgically conservative, especially in Scandinavian lands were the liturgy retained most of its medieval Catholic form.

Re: Maronite church pictures;

I’m sorry, but the Maronite church pictures provided a few posts previous ARE indeed very Latin / Novus Ordo looking. I don’t see ANY WAY that it can be defended as something “very Eastern”. Furthermore, if you will visit the parish website provided, you’ll see the parish decked out for Christmas in a most un-Oriental fashion.

Re: ad orientem

According to this webpage, the Maronite Patriarchs, in two decrees (1973 and 1992), specified that “In his observance of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, a priest should always face the Congregation at those times when he directly addresses the Community or when he gives a blessing or benediction, and he should turn to the altar when he addresses or pray to the Lord”. In short, ad orientem is normative for what we Latins would call the “Liturgy of the Eucharist” as well as for all prayers addressed to Our Lord.

Unfortunately, in more than one video of the Maronite liturgy that I’ve seen (even from Lebanon), the “ad populum” is maintained throughout the Liturgy.
 
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