Maronite Church

[MorEphrem]

[Quotation from 200**5

Missal]
If you open a 1594 missal or any of the handwritten missals in Bkerke you would find that to be untrue. I have studied the collection in the Bkerke archives for a good deal of time so I’m not interested in a back-and-forth contradiction - the standard anaphora in the 16th century was 12 Apostles, followed by Pope Sixtus and St. James. One can tell the 1594 missal is clearly not based on Sharar by simply looking at the diaconal book that accompanies it - the diaconal parts are different for Sharar. Sharar was used, but it was clearly no where even near the main anaphora.

As for the history, I’m well aware of the history and language. The reduction to the issue of translation is a modern historical explanation. Anyway, I don’t think my statement required an ecclesiology lesson - all I said was simply JPII and Paul VI rightfully acknowledged something which I’ve heard Maronite bishops continue to contradict.

 

[Kielbasi]

We’re thinking of attending Mass on New Years Eve at a local Maronite Church. What is the Liturgy like and is the Mass very long? We are Latin Rite Catholics.

Not terribly long, about an hour from this youtube recording from the Maronite community here in Pittsburgh.

It could be longer or different out where you are at. Pittsburgh’s Lebanese community has been here since the 1890’s and they all know English by now. It might be longer if there are a lot of new Maronite immigrants in your part of the world.

 

[keefabarmorun]

shlomo,

If you open a 1594 missal or any of the handwritten missals in Bkerke you would find that to be untrue. I have studied the collection in the Bkerke archives for a good deal of time so I’m not interested in a back-and-forth contradiction - the standard anaphora in the 16th century was 12 Apostles, followed by Pope Sixtus and St. James. One can tell the 1594 missal is clearly not based on Sharar by simply looking at the diaconal book that accompanies it - the diaconal parts are different for Sharar. Sharar was used, but it was clearly no where even near the main anaphora.

I’m impressed, it’s not easy for people to get access to the Patriarchal archive.

In regards to my quote, it was from the 2008 and not the 2005 edition. The 2008 is a supplemental edition which was published by Bkerke, so that Sharar may be used, because the 2005 edition lacked it.

I just finished analysing and comparing the following texts and manuscripts:
1453 Anaphora of Sharar (the oldest known manuscript)
1594 Anaphora of Shara
1500~ Service Book (the oldest known manuscript)
1596 Service Book
1594 Anaphora of the Twelve Apostles
1594 Anaphora of Pope Sixtus

I have to hold to the position, which is that the Service Books are constructed based on the Anaphora of Sharar.

I can provide you privately, via email, the Excel spreadsheet that goes into the details.

Both the 1500~ and 1596 Service Books follow the order of Sharar, and as such we don’t have to jump around, when using both Sharar texts, whereas in the case of the Sixtus and the 12 Apostles we do.

Also, there are prayers in the Service Books, which are only found in the Anaphora of Sharar.

fush bashlomo,
keefa bar morun

 

[MorEphrem]

I’m impressed, it’s not easy for people to get access to the Patriarchal archive.

I’m not impressed by condescension.

I have to hold to the position, which is that the Service Books are constructed based on the Anaphora of Sharar

I can provide you privately, via email, the Excel spreadsheet that goes into the details.

And I must hold to the texts themselves - as I said, this is just a back-and-forth fact contradiction which I am not interested in. You may send me a message via a PM but I am not interested in external contact.

 

[keefabarmorun]

shlom lokh oH,

I’m not impressed by condescension.

My apology if it came across as condescension, it wasn’t my intent, I was sincerely impressed.

I’ve been doing research for a long time, and I know how hard it is to get access to manuscripts.

fush bashlomo waloho nbarekh lokh,
keefa bar morun