Maronite Fasting

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Do Maronites fast like Latin Catholics i.e. eat less for breakfast and dinner?

I heard traditionally, Maronites abstain from food and drink from 12:00am to 12:00pm. Is this still the practice or has it changed?
 
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1736 Synod of Mt. Lebanon:
Every weekday of Lent (Monday through Friday) is a day of fasting and abstinence from meat and dairy products (eggs, butter, milk, etc.) Fasting involves eating and drinking nothing at all (except water and medicine) from midnight until noon. The rest of the day normal meals can be taken, but without meat or dairy products. Dairy products are excluded because they are animal byproducts. Saturdays and Sundays are exempt from fasting and abstaining, as are the following four feast days: St. Maron - February 9, The 40 Martyrs - March 9, St. Joseph - March 19 and the Annunciation - March 25.
Now if you ask who follows that, I could probably name everyone off the top of my head in my eparchy who does… which is sad…
 
< - Saturdays and Sundays are exempt from fasting and abstaining, as are the following four feast days: St. Maron… - >

I always thought Saturdays and Sundays were also days of abstinence, but not fasting.

I’ve learned something new.

Has anyone heard of abstinence for Saturday and Sunday?
 
< - Saturdays and Sundays are exempt from fasting and abstaining, as are the following four feast days: St. Maron… - >

I always thought Saturdays and Sundays were also days of abstinence, but not fasting.

I’ve learned something new.

Has anyone heard of abstinence for Saturday and Sunday?
The general concept of “fasting” in the Oriental Churches is relatively simple and differs from the highly legalized practice of the Latin Church with which most people (even, sadly, a lot of Maronites) are more familiar. IOW, fasting and abstaining were traditionally considered one thing. When we speak of “fasting foods” we mean food prepared without meat or dairy. Most traditional Levantine “fasting foods” are based on dried beans, lentils, onions, rice, and seasonal vegetables. To my knowledge, we never excluded olive oil, as do at least some Greeks. (Whether fin fish are permitted depends on interpretation – and location – but mollusks, crustaceans, and cephalopods – being the “dregs of the catch” – were allowed.)

The more traditional observance is as stated in the link and posted in text by MorEphrem. Those rules are a lessening of the stricter ones that preceded them. (There was at least one change prior, in 1598 or thereabouts.) In any case, even with older, stricter, rules, Saturdays, Sundays, and Feast Days were always exempt. Of course in those days meat was a rarity, so it would likely not have been on the table very often anyway. Dairy was far more available and was permitted on those days.
 
The general concept of “fasting” in the Oriental Churches is relatively simple and differs from the highly legalized practice of the Latin Church with which most people (even, sadly, a lot of Maronites) are more familiar. IOW, fasting and abstaining were traditionally considered one thing. When we speak of “fasting foods” we mean food prepared without meat or dairy. Most traditional Levantine “fasting foods” are based on dried beans, lentils, onions, rice, and seasonal vegetables. To my knowledge, we never excluded olive oil, as do at least some Greeks. (Whether fin fish are permitted depends on interpretation – and location – but mollusks, crustaceans, and cephalopods – being the “dregs of the catch” – were allowed.)

The more traditional observance is as stated in the link and posted in text by MorEphrem. Those rules are a lessening of the stricter ones that preceded them. (There was at least one change prior, in 1598 or thereabouts.) In any case, even with older, stricter, rules, Saturdays, Sundays, and Feast Days were always exempt. Of course in those days meat was a rarity, so it would likely not have been on the table very often anyway. Dairy was far more available and was permitted on those days.
This was very helpful. Thank you! 👍
 
It’s hard for my wife and I to abstain from meat and dairy products because we have two kids a four and two year old. We can’t cook two different meals a day from Monday to Friday because we both work. Are we justifiably exempt?

Why are Saturdays exempt from fasting?
 
It’s hard for my wife and I to abstain from meat and dairy products because we have two kids a four and two year old. We can’t cook two different meals a day from Monday to Friday because we both work. Are we justifiably exempt?
I’d suggest asking your pastor.
Why are Saturdays exempt from fasting?
Saturday is the commemoration of the Sabbath.
 
I’d suggest asking your pastor.

Saturday is the commemoration of the Sabbath.
Do you mean the Maronites that don’t fast Monday - Friday during lent are committing a sin?

I thought the Sabbath was transformed into Sunday. Why do we honor both the Sabbath and the Lord’s day?
 
I thought the Sabbath was transformed into Sunday. Why do we honor both the Sabbath and the Lord’s day?
In a way, that’s rather like asking why we still accept the Old Testament as part of the Scriptural Canon. The Old Covenant was fulfilled and gave way to the New, but we still honor the Old.

Sunday, the commemoration of Christ’s Resurrection, representing the fulfillment of the Old Covenant and the establishment of the New Covenant, is the more important. Notice that the prescription to attend Mass is for Sunday. But still the Sabbath, which Jesus Himself observed, represents the Old Covenant.
 
Do you mean the Maronites that don’t fast Monday - Friday during lent are committing a sin?
Have a look at the link I posted earlier, where the current practice is spelled out. It’s a PDF file and I have no way to copy and paste it here.
 
In a way, that’s rather like asking why we still accept the Old Testament as part of the Scriptural Canon. The Old Covenant was fulfilled and gave way to the New, but we still honor the Old.

Sunday, the commemoration of Christ’s Resurrection, representing the fulfillment of the Old Covenant and the establishment of the New Covenant, is the more important. Notice that the prescription to attend Mass is for Sunday. But still the Sabbath, which Jesus Himself observed, represents the Old Covenant.
Yes I agree with you there but I’ve never heard a practice that commemorates both the Sabbath and the Lord’s day…
 
The Tewahedo (Orthodox Ethiopians and Eritreans) observe both, though I’m not sure how exactly the Sabbath is observed (whether by a liturgy or what), and apparently there is some controversy regarding this matter since the 13th century or so. Some sources online say it used to be observed until recently, but Ethiopians I’ve talked to say that it still is observed. See this thread from another board (as we have no Tewahedo here on CAF, to my knowledge).
 
Have a look at the link I posted earlier, where the current practice is spelled out. It’s a PDF file and I have no way to copy and paste it here.
Sorry last time I just skimmed over it. Ok I’ve re-read it, fasting from Monday to Friday is an encouraged personal devotion but not a mandate.

Thanks very much for your posts, I’ve learnt quite a bit today 🙂
 
Yes I agree with you there but I’ve never heard a practice that commemorates both the Sabbath and the Lord’s day…
Yes, well sadly the Maronite Church has allowed its Semitic identity to be obscured by its Latinizations to the point where Maronite priests don’t even teach Syriac tradition anymore. Saturday is both a liturgical day (along with Wednesday and Sunday) and an important day to observe - being the Sabbath and commemoration of the departed believers.
 
Do/did the Maronites ever keep the traditional Wed/Fri weekly fast, as the OO do? Just curious.
 
Do/did the Maronites ever keep the traditional Wed/Fri weekly fast, as the OO do? Just curious.
In former, i.e, pre latinizations time, yes. I’m not sure if it was abandoned in 1598 or 1736.
 
< - Saturdays and Sundays are exempt from fasting and abstaining, as are the following four feast days: St. Maron… - >

I always thought Saturdays and Sundays were also days of abstinence, but not fasting.

I’ve learned something new.

Has anyone heard of abstinence for Saturday and Sunday?
Only for holy saturday, and for the saturday before nativity if nativity falls on sunday or monday.
 
In former, i.e, pre latinizations time, yes. I’m not sure if it was abandoned in 1598 or 1736.
Malphono I am not sure if it was officially dropped by the Maronite Church, but in the north of Lebanon it is still held to this day by some. I was told that Wednesdays was because that was the day that Judas went to the temple to betray Jesus, and Fridays because that is the day of the death of our Lord. This is mentioned in the Didache [8,1].

Also I found it quite odd that in the dalil almu-min from 1957 (Missal/devotion book) it says on page 442:
The Fast and Abstinence
The Forty day fast: from Ash Monday till Luminous Saturday Excluding Sundays, Saturdays (except Luminous Saturday), and obligatory feasts.
The abstinence of the Apostles: from 25th till 28th of June.
The abstinence of our Lady: from 7th till 14th of August.
The abstinence of the Nativity: from 13th till 24th of December.
Wednesdays and Fridays: All the year.
Except what comes on Christmas and Epiphany and what is between them, and the Joyful week (Before lent) and what is between Easter and Pentecost, The feasts of the Transfiguration of our Lord, assumption of our Lady, the Nativity of John and Saints Peter and Paul.
Take care and observe of the exceptions that the superiors direct and make each year.
My question is that if we take both Saturdays and Sundays out of the fast it is short of forty days but if only Sundays that it is forty days. My wife and I think that it is probably along the lines of the Divine office which starts at 6pm the day before, so for example Saturday nights during Lent from 6pm on are actually part of Sunday which falls into the Jewish custom and Syriac Liturgical custom.

Any thoughts?
 
Malphono I am not sure if it was officially dropped by the Maronite Church, but in the north of Lebanon it is still held to this day by some. I was told that Wednesdays was because that was the day that Judas went to the temple to betray Jesus, and Fridays because that is the day of the death of our Lord. This is mentioned in the Didache [8,1].
Yes I believe it was (and remains) a pious practice among some faithful in certain places. IIRC, the same was true even in the Latin Church.
Also I found it quite odd that in the dalil almu-min from 1957 (Missal/devotion book) it says on page 442:

My question is that if we take both Saturdays and Sundays out of the fast it is short of forty days but if only Sundays that it is forty days. My wife and I think that it is probably along the lines of the Divine office which starts at 6pm the day before, so for example Saturday nights during Lent from 6pm on are actually part of Sunday which falls into the Jewish custom and Syriac Liturgical custom.

Any thoughts?
Lent was often called “sawm al-khamsin” (“the 50 day fast”) so looking for “40 days” would seem to be a bit legalistic in the Latin way. The idea is more beginning-to-end rather than counting the parts, meaning that the period starts on Clean Monday and ends on Saturday of Light. (Some people consider Cana Sunday to be the first Sunday of Lent, while others follow the alternate designation of “Sunday of Entrance into Lent” aka “Sunday of Celebration” as was commonly used years ago. The latter moniker makes it more clear.)

Anyway, Saturday is Saturday: had the intention been the liturgical reckoning of Sunday beginning at Vespers hour on Saturday, it would have been spelled out that way. Note that even in the dalil, it specifically says that Saturday of Light is a day of fasting.
 
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