Maronite question

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I am going to be visiting the Maronite Church near me next Sunday. I am trying to find an alternative to my Latin parish. I was just wandering what I should expect from the Liturgy/Mass? Do they use incense and all that?

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Yes they will probably use incense. The Liturgy may be in English or Arabic depending on the parish, and the Consecretion will be chanted in Syriac (a dialect of the language Jesus spoke). The Maronite prayers are very spiritually enriching so I think you will be in for a treat.
 
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Yes they will probably use incense. The Liturgy may be in English or Arabic depending on the parish, and the Consecretion will be chanted in Syriac (a dialect of the language Jesus spoke). The Maronite prayers are very spiritually enriching so I think you will be in for a treat.
Thanks! I plan on attending the Enlish mass and one day probably Arabic, but not sure.
 
The parish is visitor-friendly. The pastor is welcoming. They have a lot of resources in the back that you can read through.

The part you’re most likely to find confusing is the sign of peace. The priest has a prayer over the altar then passes the sign of peace to the deacon who passes it to the servers who pass it to the congregation. Instead of shaking hands with whoever catches your eye, they have an orderly system of passing it through the parish.

The person passing the sign of peace holds his hands out and the person receiving it sweeps his hands on the outside, then turns and with hands together passes it on. I can’t find a video online, but you’ll understand and be able to follow along when you see it.
 
If they follow the Missal exactly, then after an entrance hymn, there will be an “access” where the clergy approach the altar. They chant in Syriac (I have come, O God, to your temple / house etc), the people respond in Syriac asking God to forgive their sins. The clergy beseech them to pray to God for them, and the people ask God to accept the sacrifice which will be offered. They then move to the side of the sanctuary, taking chairs to the side so that the people have unhindered views of the altar, crucifix and lecterns. After this the Liturgy of the Word continues in English: some initiatory prayers, and incense for the “incense prayer” in several parts, including some metrical verse and chant. This is an ancient part of the Maronite liturgy, and many many different “hoosoye” have been written. We only use 45 of them now. Each one is a special package, introducing ideas and teachings, arousing feelings and guiding the mind. After 5-10 minutes depending on how quickly they chant, all stand for the “Qadishat” in Syriac. An antiphonal exchange (some churches do not chant it as an exchange) where we ask the Holy One to have mercy on us. After a psalm come the readings, Epistle and Gospel (incense and procession at the Gospel) only, unless the celebrant has added an OT reading (rare but it isn’t unknown).

The Sermon ends the Liturgy of the Word: then the clergy approach the altar again with a slightly different access prayer in Syriac. The people respond and this time the clergy go to the altar and stand behind it facing the people (in Lebanon there are still many high altars, and also, some priests face the freestanding altar with the people, going behind it only at the Epiclesis (where there are some exceptionally beautiful “hovering” hand movements). In procession, oblations are presented, there is a shortened hoosoyo with incense over the oblations placed on the altar and the priest, altar corners and people are also censed. Then there is one of the anaphoras (LIturgies of the Eucharist) in use. The Words of Consecration are in Syriac. Soon after, the evocation of the Third Person is chanted, and the clergy kneel at the prayer “hear us O Lord” (x3). No washing of the hands is mandated but many of us include one. There is a Lord’s Prayer, and soon after, the communion is distributed. According to the 1992 Missal, the priest says on giving communion: “The body and blood of OLJC are given to you for the forgiveness of sins and for eternal life”, and there is NO requirement that the recipient say Amen. I am told that the Patriarch has never allowed communion in the hand - and I have assisted at several Patriarchal Masses and have never seen either this Patriarch or the previous one administer it in the hand. After the dismisall, the clergy should silently say a poignant prayer of farewell to the altar. I hope that helps, Deacon Yuhanna
 
Peace, Do you have to be of Lebanese descent to be a priest in the Maronite church? Is it because the church is relatively a new comer to the U.S.
 
Peace, Do you have to be of Lebanese descent to be a priest in the Maronite church? Is it because the church is relatively a new comer to the U.S.
I don’t believe you have to be of Lebanese descent to be ordained to the priesthood in the Maronite Church. Ordination in general is always at the discretion of the bishop. If he deems any man (Lebanese or otherwise) to be suited for service in the Church, typically he’ll ordain them. If he deems them not suitable, he won’t ordain them. Whether or not we ourselves believe a candidate for ordination is suitable doesn’t really matter. It’s up to the bishop.
 
I don’t believe you have to be of Lebanese descent to be ordained to the priesthood in the Maronite Church. Ordination in general is always at the discretion of the bishop. If he deems any man (Lebanese or otherwise) to be suited for service in the Church, typically he’ll ordain them. If he deems them not suitable, he won’t ordain them. Whether or not we ourselves believe a candidate for ordination is suitable doesn’t really matter. It’s up to the bishop.
I was once told that the majority of Maronite priests in the US are religious monks, sent from Lebanon as missionaries. That there are very few diocesan priests in the US. I don’t know how accurate it was. Can one of the Maronites confirm or clarify?
 
I was once told that the majority of Maronite priests in the US are religious monks, sent from Lebanon as missionaries. That there are very few diocesan priests in the US. I don’t know how accurate it was. Can one of the Maronites confirm or clarify?
I’d like a confirmation on that one too. I’ve known a number of Maronite priests who did in fact come here from Lebanon as missionaries. They celebrated daily (Roman) Mass in the chapel up the hall from the bookstore I was working in at the time. On the weekends they served the local Maronite parish.

I don’t know whether or not they were monastics. But they were very holy men, and excellent in the confessional. 👍

I read in a book written by a Maronite priest that the Maronites do ordain married men to the priesthood, at least in theory. Whether or not that actually happens here in the U.S. is another questions. But the same can be said for a good number of Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches.
 
Do they have something to assist you with the Syriac language parts? I actually listened to the Our Father in Aramaic and it was one of the most beautiful things I’ve heard!
 
I read in a book written by a Maronite priest that the Maronites do ordain married men to the priesthood, at least in theory. Whether or not that actually happens here in the U.S. is another questions. But the same can be said for a good number of Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches.
If they’re mainly monastics, they wouldn’t be married. That might explain it, too.
Do they have something to assist you with the Syriac language parts? I actually listened to the Our Father in Aramaic and it was one of the most beautiful things I’ve heard!
I don’t remember.
 
Do they have something to assist you with the Syriac language parts? I actually listened to the Our Father in Aramaic and it was one of the most beautiful things I’ve heard!
The pew book (Do they call them missalettes?) has some of the pronunciation of the Syriac language to assist you.
 
Many Maronite missionary priests are also monks. There is no national requirement whatsoever for ordination to the Maronite priesthood. The new Missal has more help for the Aramic parts, using a phonetic transcription. But the best help is the translation with phonetics and word-by-word lexical notes which I wrote the for Maronite Heritage Centre. See www.maroniteheritagecentre.pbworks.com Regards, Deacon Yuhanna
 
Many Maronite missionary priests are also monks. There is no national requirement whatsoever for ordination to the Maronite priesthood. The new Missal has more help for the Aramic parts, using a phonetic transcription. But the best help is the translation with phonetics and word-by-word lexical notes which I wrote the for Maronite Heritage Centre. See www.maroniteheritagecentre.pbworks.com Regards, Deacon Yuhanna
Thanks Deacon Yuhanna,

The parish I am going to has an 11:30 Mass in English and Lebanese, does this mean they don’t use Aramaic?
Also, I went to this parish for adoration yesterday and did see (Missles?) with translations from Arabic or Aramaic I believe?
 
Actually, to be precise, our chief liturgical language is Syriac, not the closely related but nonetheless different Aramaic. Initially, they were differentiated by script, but as time went by, other changes crept in.

I am fairly sure that some of what you thought was Arabic was in fact Syriac, but without hearing or reading it, I can’t be 100% certain. All the Maronite Mass books I’ve seen do have Syriac. But why not ask the priest? I am sure he’d be pleased to meet you and answer your questions. I hope that helps. Yours in Christ, Deacon Yuhanna
 
Actually, to be precise, our chief liturgical language is Syriac, not the closely related but nonetheless different Aramaic. Initially, they were differentiated by script, but as time went by, other changes crept in.

I am fairly sure that some of what you thought was Arabic was in fact Syriac, but without hearing or reading it, I can’t be 100% certain. All the Maronite Mass books I’ve seen do have Syriac. But why not ask the priest? I am sure he’d be pleased to meet you and answer your questions. I hope that helps. Yours in Christ, Deacon Yuhanna
Whoops, my bad. Yea I wud imagine but since my knowledge on these languages is very limited right now I wouldn’t be able to describe it for you. I havnt been able to talk to the priest cause he has been out and won’t be back till saturday. Although, I am looking forward to meeting him, he’s a monk and from what I hear he is very welcoming.
 
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