Maronite??

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First of all, it’s my first time join in the EC Forum. And I join it because I want to learn more about EC. And sorry for my ignorance about it.
  1. What category is Maronite?is it EC or Orthodox or…??
  2. Is Maronite united with RC?
  3. What are the diferrences and similarities with RC?
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I will defer to others who have more knowledge but I can say that Maronites are Eastern Catholics in Communion with Rome.
 
The Maronite Church is the only Eastern Church that does not have a non-Catholic counterpart.
 
We have a local Maronite church, St. Anthony of Padua, and I have fallen in love with the Maronite spirituality. The former pastor, who was recently transferred to a parish in Australia, wrote a book that I highly recommend. It’s called “Captivated By Your Teachings: A Resource Book for Adult Maronite Catholics.” It contains everything you want to know, from their history, to their liturgy and sacraments, to their liturgical year and feast days, to prayers, customs and culture.

mari.org/JMS/july01/Teachings.html
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bpbasilphx said:
The Maronite Church is the only Eastern Church that does not have a non-Catholic counterpart.
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I think there are 2 Eastern Catholic Churhes that have no non-Catholic counterpart.

The other is the Italo-Albanian Catholic Church.

However, it is generally believed that only the Maronite Catholic Church, among Eastern Churches, never separated from Rome.
 
The Maronite Rite is in Communion with Rome, but they have their own Patriarch!

Peace
 
The other is the Italo-Albanian Catholic Church.

The Italo-Albanians are Byzantine. There are quite a few who are Orthodox.
 
bpbasilphx said:
The other is the Italo-Albanian Catholic Church.

The Italo-Albanians are Byzantine. There are quite a few who are Orthodox.
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The Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church has a counterpart in Eastern Orthodoxy, the Albanian Orthodox Church, but the Italo-Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church has none.

These 2 Eastern Catholic Churches are separate and distinct in the Catholic classification of Eastern Churches (22 Churches) in communion with the Church of Rome.

We are talking about Eastern Catholic Churches sui iuris here.
 
prodigal-sun said:
The Maronite Rite is in Communion with Rome, but they have their own Patriarch!

Peace
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Yes, I just learnt more about catholic church hierarchy.
I’d never known before about below the Pope there’s Patriarch. I thought below the pope is Cardinals. Well thanks for CAF.🙂
 
prodigal-sun said:
The Maronite Rite is in Communion with Rome, but they have their own Patriarch!

Peace
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The correct term is Maronite Church. Rite means a ritual. They are not an organized ritual, but a self-governing church in union with Rome.

Alaha minokhoun,
Andrew
 
Harpazo said:
The correct term is Maronite Church. Rite means a ritual. They are not an organized ritual, but a self-governing church in union with Rome.

Alaha minokhoun,
Andrew
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Canon law lumps them in the Syriac Rite; I’ve read several clerics comments that the Maronites really constitute a separate sub-rite or even rite, due to having such long divergence in effective isolation.
prodigal-sun said:
The Maronite Rite is in Communion with Rome, but they have their own Patriarch!

Peace
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The Petrine Office, filled by the pope of Rome, is essentially an Arch-patriarch. There are a couple Latin patriarchs (who really are only Archbishops with special titles: Jerusalem, East Indies, Lisbon, Venice), and there are several Catholic Patriarchs in the Eastern Churches. The Melkites, The Chaldeans, the Maronites, the The Copts, Syrians, and Armenians.

The Ukrainians have a Major Archbishop who holds equivalent authority for the most part.

It’s a normal part of the governance of the larger Eastern Churches.
 
prodigal-sun said:
The Maronite Rite is in Communion with Rome, but they have their own Patriarch!

Peace
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  • and I saw him yesterday! He held an open air Mass at Parramatta football stadium. He is here in Sydney for World Youth Day.
Here are some photos that I took…
 
wina said:
Yes, I just learnt more about catholic church hierarchy.
I’d never known before about below the Pope there’s Patriarch. I thought below the pope is Cardinals. Well thanks for CAF.🙂
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Thats not exactly correct.

First off, the position of Cardinal is technically a Lay position, or at least it used to be. These days it is restricted to Bishops, but that did not used to be the case. Princes, Dukes, etc. were frequently made Cardinals. It was all part of renaissance politics.

So, understanding that, one understands that “Cardinal” is not so much a rank in the heirarchy above or below anything else. All Cardinals are bishops, and are of equal rank as all other bishops. Patriarchs can be cardinals. The Chaldean Patriarch of Babylon, [Mar Emmanuel III Delly ](Mar Emmanuel III Cardinal Delly) was made a cardinal by Pope Benedict very recently. Another good example is Armenian Catholic Patriarch Krikor Bedros Aghajanian (Grégoire-Pierre Agagianian), who was nearly elected pope by the 1958 conclave whish eventually elected Pope John XXIII.

Patriarchs are also Bishops, althought hey are bishops with special powers to make laws, appoint other bishops, govern the litrugy, etc. of their Church. However, patriarchs are still bishops. The Pope is a good illustration of this. He is bishop of Rome, as well as the Patriarch of the Western Church, as well as the Pope of the Universal Church.

Hope this clears some things up 🙂
 
belgianwaffles9 said:
Thats not exactly correct.

First off, the position of Cardinal is technically a Lay position, or at least it used to be. These days it is restricted to Bishops, but that did not used to be the case. Princes, Dukes, etc. were frequently made Cardinals. It was all part of renaissance politics.

So, understanding that, one understands that “Cardinal” is not so much a rank in the heirarchy above or below anything else. All Cardinals are bishops, and are of equal rank as all other bishops. Patriarchs can be cardinals. The Chaldean Patriarch of Babylon, [Mar Emmanuel III Delly ](Mar Emmanuel III Cardinal Delly) was made a cardinal by Pope Benedict very recently. Another good example is Armenian Catholic Patriarch Krikor Bedros Aghajanian (Grégoire-Pierre Agagianian), who was nearly elected pope by the 1958 conclave whish eventually elected Pope John XXIII.

Patriarchs are also Bishops, althought hey are bishops with special powers to make laws, appoint other bishops, govern the litrugy, etc. of their Church. However, patriarchs are still bishops. The Pope is a good illustration of this. He is bishop of Rome, as well as the Patriarch of the Western Church, as well as the Pope of the Universal Church.

Hope this clears some things up 🙂
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Thanks. But how about at this moment?? cardinals position is still Lay position??
 
wina said:
Thanks. But how about at this moment?? cardinals position is still Lay position??
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Yes, but…

The lay cardinals are above the voting age. The installed clerical cardinals of the priestly ordination are rare, and the rest are bishops and patriarchs.

Aside from being able to get a private audience with the pope, and being able to use Cardinal as a middle name, the lay cardinals are pretty much powerless. It is a reward for either distinguished and long careers in theology or apologetics, or in extensive lifetime work on special projects dear to the Pope’s heart.

Then again, the origin of the term is that of being a cleric of the Diocese of Rome, and thus part of the Roman Diocesan Synod. It evolved from there.
 
Aramis said:
Yes, but…

The lay cardinals are above the voting age. The installed clerical cardinals of the priestly ordination are rare, and the rest are bishops and patriarchs.

Aside from being able to get a private audience with the pope, and being able to use Cardinal as a middle name, the lay cardinals are pretty much powerless. It is a reward for either distinguished and long careers in theology or apologetics, or in extensive lifetime work on special projects dear to the Pope’s heart.

Then again, the origin of the term is that of being a cleric of the Diocese of Rome, and thus part of the Roman Diocesan Synod. It evolved from there.
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Thank you but could you please explain me more about what is the meaning of “The lay cardinals are above the voting age.”?

and if the lay cardinals are powerless so, what are their responsibility in the hierarchy??
 
wina said:
Thank you but could you please explain me more about what is the meaning of “The lay cardinals are above the voting age.”?

and if the lay cardinals are powerless so, what are their responsibility in the hierarchy??
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Cardinals are only allowed to vote if below a certain age. Once a cardinal hits that age, he can still participate in the conclave, but may not vote.

Laymen made cardinals are specifically not allowed to be younger than that age, anymore. (In the middle ages and renaissance, they were, and often did vote.)

They have no formal role in the governance of the church, period (anymore). It’s an honorific, a “Thank-you” from the church.

They do, however, as with all cardinals, have the ability to get private audience more easily than most… and as cardinals, may make their mind known to the pope with some minor weight, but they are outside the hierarchy. They are made “already retired” as it were.
 
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