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wina said:
and if the lay cardinals are powerless so, what are their responsibility in the hierarchy??
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I know that this has been pointed out, but perhaps a bit of clarification might help.

The honorary title Cardinal is not with in the governing hierarchy of the Church. It is similar to a priest receiving the honorary title Monsignor. However, having the honorary title of Cardinal does bring the honoree one active role within the Church provided they are below 75 or 80 (I don’t remember the exact age, but I am pretty sure it is 80). They elect the Pope, but they do nothing else to govern the Church by virtue of being a Cardinal. Cardinals do not occupy a position between the Pope and Bishops, because some are Bishops, Priests, and some are Laymen. It is primarily an honorary title.

FYI: Earlier in the thread you said something to the effect that a Patriarch is “below the Pope.” It is better to say that they are with the Pope or even better in mind, in communion with the Pope. There are many people who find “below the Pope” a problematic formulation.

God Bless 🙂
 
There are no more lay cardinals. Canon law presrcibes that only priests may be made cardinals and even then they are required to be ordained bishops before the consistory. The only exceptions are made for those priests 80 years old and over, who may request and be dispensed from episcopal ordination.

Fr. Deacon Lance
 
Since 1858 when the last time a layman was appointed a cardinal. The title lay cardinal is a misnomer anyways as once a layman was appointed cardinal they received minor orders making them clerics.

Fr. Deacon Lance
 
wina said:
Since when?? because based on Aramis and Allyson, they said there are still lay cardinals.
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I was just going off what was previously said in the thread. Until I read it, I knew of no lay appointments. But it makes sense that they would receive some sort of orders if they were so honored. Next time I will be more careful. Sorry for the confussion.
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As Fr. Dcn. Lance has adverted to above, there are no laymen elevated to the cardinalate since 1858 when the lawyer and longtime official in the Roman Curia, Teodolfo Mertel, was included in the consistory of March 15, 1858 called by Pius IX.

However, before he assumed office and received the red hat, he was ordained a deacon on the following day, March 16, 1858, and remained as such throughout his membership in the College of Cardinals.

Currently, the minimum requirement for elevation to the College of Cardinals is having been ordained a priest and who is "truly outstanding in doctrine, virtue, piety and prudence in practical matters x x x ." (Section 1, Canon 351, Code of Canon Law.)Almost always these priests are in the twilight of their service and are usually eminent theologians. There have been only a few priests who have been elevated to the Cardinalate.

Even then, such a priest must receive episcopal consecration to be able to enter and exercise his office as a Cardinal unless dispensed with by the Pope for acceptable reasons. An acceptable reason has been the advanced age of such priests elevated to the Cardinalate, like Fr. Avery Dulles, S.J.

Thus, a great majority of the Cardinals are already Bishops (which includes Archbishops, Major Archbishops, and Patriarchs).
 
Allyson said:
I was just going off what was previously said in the thread. Until I read it, I knew of no lay appointments. But it makes sense that they would receive some sort of orders if they were so honored. Next time I will be more careful. Sorry for the confussion.
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It’s okay Allyson.🙂 I’m new for learning about it although I’m craddle catholic. But thanks for CAF, since I’ve joined it, there are many things I’ve learnt many things about catholicism.
 
Amadeus said:
As Fr. Dcn. Lance has adverted to above, there are no laymen elevated to the cardinalate since 1858 when the lawyer and longtime official in the Roman Curia, Teodolfo Mertel, was included in the consistory of March 15, 1858 called by Pius IX.

However, before he assumed office and received the red hat, he was ordained a deacon on the following day, March 16, 1858, and remained as such throughout his membership in the College of Cardinals.

Currently, the minimum requirement for elevation to the College of Cardinals is having been ordained a priest and who is "truly outstanding in doctrine, virtue, piety and prudence in practical matters x x x ." (Section 1, Canon 351, Code of Canon Law.)Almost always these priests are in the twilight of their service and are usually eminent theologians. There have been only a few priests who have been elevated to the Cardinalate.

Even then, such a priest must receive episcopal consecration to be able to enter and exercise his office as a Cardinal unless dispensed with by the Pope for acceptable reasons. An acceptable reason has been the advanced age of such priests elevated to the Cardinalate, like Fr. Avery Dulles, S.J.

Thus, a great majority of the Cardinals are already Bishops (which includes Archbishops, Major Archbishops, and Patriarchs).
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Thank you
 
I have a related question. I’m interested in finding out more information about the Maronite church because I’m thinking about the possibility of going from the Latin rite to the Maronite rite the only thing is I don’t speak the language. Can someone please tell me what the procedure would be I would have to go through if I decide to change rites? And how is it possible for me to learn the language so that I could follow the divine liturgy?
 
Aydan said:
I have a related question. I’m interested in finding out more information about the Maronite church because I’m thinking about the possibility of going from the Latin rite to the Maronite rite the only thing is I don’t speak the language. Can someone please tell me what the procedure would be I would have to go through if I decide to change rites? And how is it possible for me to learn the language so that I could follow the divine liturgy?
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Well was hoping a Maronite would answer this, but since they aren’t I will…

The answer is yes. There are many Maronite parishes that have their service in English. The only parts of the service that are not in English are the words of the institution that are always said in Aramaic/Syriac and they may add a few other prayers and songs that are in Aramaic/Syriac

example

youtube.com/watch?v=TdrEsc8IPYY

I myself am a Oriental Orthodox Christian who is considering being Maronite Catholic sometime in the future (when I relocate out of my area) and have been investigating all kinds of issues like this.

Now learning Syriac is a different story. I have seen a few web sites that cover that, just google “Teach yourself syriac”. I also think that classes in liturgical Syriac is also offered at a number of parishes.
 
thank you. Actually I found one in my city. I found out that I could attend without actually having to change rites so I just decided to stay with my current parish and go visit the Mennonite Church whenI want to but I appreciate you answering my question. God bless you. I’m not quite ready to tackle the Slavic language Turkish is hard enough! I’m in the process of learning Turkish as a second language.
Addai said:
Well was hoping a Maronite would answer this, but since they aren’t I will…

The answer is yes. There are many Maronite parishes that have their service in English. The only parts of the service that are not in English are the words of the institution that are always said in Aramaic/Syriac and they may add a few other prayers and songs that are in Aramaic/Syriac

example

youtube.com/watch?v=TdrEsc8IPYY

I myself am a Oriental Orthodox Christian who is considering being Maronite Catholic sometime in the future (when I relocate out of my area) and have been investigating all kinds of issues like this.

Now learning Syriac is a different story. I have seen a few web sites that cover that, just google “Teach yourself syriac”. I also think that classes in liturgical Syriac is also offered at a number of parishes.
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Aydan said:
thank you. Actually I found one in my city. I found out that I could attend without actually having to change rites so I just decided to stay with my current parish and go visit the Mennonite Church whenI want to but I appreciate you answering my question. God bless you. I’m not quite ready to tackle the Slavic language Turkish is hard enough! I’m in the process of learning Turkish as a second language.
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Don’t you mean Maronite Church? 😃

Where in VA do you live? I attend a Maronite parish in Roanoke.

Also, Syriac is not a Slavic language. It’s a Semitic, meaning it’s very close to Hebrew and Arabic. Syriac is believed to be the language Christ himself spoke.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew
 
yeah that’s what I mean Maronite 😊 it’s been a very long day and I type with speech recognition software so I don’t always catch the mistakes when I have long days like this. I think I will stick with Turkish for now That is challenging enough I’m just happy to have a church that acknowledges Antioch and we don’t really have Turkish churches here. I live in Richmond. I have attended in Latin rite church here for almost 5 years. My parish literally brought me up in the faith I just need some place I can go visit to express my European/Asian side since I’m learning Turkish you can’t really do that in the Latin rite without confusing everybody.
Harpazo said:
Don’t you mean Maronite Church? 😃

Where in VA do you live? I attend a Maronite parish in Roanoke.

Also, Syriac is not a Slavic language. It’s a Semitic, meaning it’s very close to Hebrew and Arabic. Syriac is believed to be the language Christ himself spoke.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew
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Aydan said:
yeah that’s what I mean Maronite 😊 it’s been a very long day and I type with speech recognition software so I don’t always catch the mistakes when I have long days like this. I think I will stick with Turkish for now That is challenging enough I’m just happy to have a church that acknowledges Antioch and we don’t really have Turkish churches here. I live in Richmond. I have attended in Latin rite church here for almost 5 years. My parish literally brought me up in the faith I just need some place I can go visit to express my European/Asian side since I’m learning Turkish you can’t really do that in the Latin rite without confusing everybody.
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That’s awesome. I suspect you attend St. Anthony’s then? I haven’t been there, I have just heard of it. They are responsable for the Maronite Voice, a publication used for both Eparchies in the US.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew
 
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