Maronites and Syriac Orthodox/Catholic

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Dear brother Hesychios,

Theologoumena are beliefs that may or may not be believed in a particular Tradition.
I aways thought diophysitism was a dogma, or at least a doctrine.

Now you are indicating that either diophysitism or miaphysitism are acceptable within the communion, so there has to be a rationale behind that. I suggested that they are probably both at the level of theological opinions.

I wonder what you think.
 
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Definitely not. The Maronites have become far too distinct from any other branch of Syrian Christianity. They’ve developed their own traditions, rites, and customs, and historically are quite unique. I say let them hold on to what makes them their own Church.
From my limited exposure to the tradition, I would say I can’t disagree with you.

However, they [the Maronites and Syriac Catholics, *perhaps
the Melkites too] are already sharing seminaries and working together in other ways. Probably more due to the fact that the Syriac church is so small, but obviously they share some commonalities and this close association in the development of priests should promote mutual respect.

Good relations and cooperation between the Maronites and Syriacs is nothing new. For one thing, the Maronites played a role in the reunion of the Syriacs. For another, the Maronite liturgical reawakening (and by that I mean the real one, not the post-conciliar joke) was spurred to a great extent by the great Syriac Patriarch Ignatious Ephrem II Rahmani who was a noted liturgical scholar. Also, in those places (in the diaspora, at least), where the Maronites had an established presence, there was a “gentleman’s agreement” that Maronite priests would care for the local Syriacs. (The “agreement” sill exists in principle but is less evident now than it was in the past.)
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The Syriac Catholic Church would be a much better candidate for “absorbtion” (and it’s really just reunification).
It would not do to see the Syriac Catholics disappear into the much larger Maronite church, I think it would be very unfortunate (for one thing it would send the wrong message to the Jacobites). However, if the Syriac Catholics and Jacobites ever reconciled, I could see where a very close relationship between the Maronites and the Syriac church would be very posssible, even desireable. The reason I say this is because they ultimately share common roots and the Maronites are in the process of recovering those roots. Two more or less equally sized churches (with common ancient roots) are not going to worry about partiality.
The SCC would likely not take well to being “absorbed” into the Maronite Church, any considerations of the SOC notwithstanding. As for the Maronites, if they were to be “absorbed” by another Church, it would clearly be the Latin Church.

Now, regarding the “Maronites [being] in the process of recovering those roots” all I can say is that the only “roots” being recovered are those of latinization. Despite all the post-conciliar claptrap, the fact is that we are being drowned in a never-ending tidal wave of Novus Ordo-inspired neo-latinization.
 
Dear me, it seems I’ve misread this topic. I thought it was asking people if they believed the Maronites should be absorbed into the Syriac Orthodox Church (pending reunification with the Catholic Church). Sorry for the confusing post on my part.

However, my answer would still have to be no. The two Churches are completely different; they should remain that way IMO.
 
Now, regarding the “Maronites [being] in the process of recovering those roots” all I can say is that the only “roots” being recovered are those of latinization. Despite all the post-conciliar claptrap, the fact is that we are being drowned in a never-ending tidal wave of Novus Ordo-inspired neo-latinization.
Oh 😊

That is very disappointing to learn.

My best wishes and prayers for you and the church.
 
Dear brother Hesychios,
I aways thought diophysitism was a dogma, or at least a doctrine.

Now you are indicating that either diophysitism or miaphysitism are acceptable within the communion, so there has to be a rationale behind that. I suggested that they are probably both at the level of theological opinions.

I wonder what you think.
Definitely doctrine, not theologoumena. The dogma is reflected in the Common Christological Statements, while miaphysitism/diophysitism are doctrines. I do understand that the EOC regards diophysitism as dogma, which is perhaps the reason why there have been no official Christological Agreements between any of the OOC’s and EOC’s (though the theological commissions have borne some fruit).

Do you recall the quotes I gave you from OO sources several weeks back when you questioned my claim that the OO Tradition recognizes that there is a Faith that goes even beyond doctrinal statements?

Sorry I don’t have time to give you more right now (i.e., provide the quotes you asked for). Hopefully, I’ll have time by this weekend.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
No, I do not see any absorbtion taking place. The Maronite church and the other Syrian churches have very distinct and honorable spiritualities. I think it would be sad to see the beautiful liturgies and spiritualities to get absorbed into another. Thus I beleive that maintaining seperate hierarchies is profitable in maintaining unique traditions and true Catholicity.
 
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