Marriage and Divorce

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So here’s where every thing sits and I was hoping some one could answer my question. I was married and am now divorced. We were both Protestants, married in a protestant church, by a protestant pastor. We are now divorced and have been for a few years. I have since converted to Catholicism and am dating a catholic.
If we wanted to be married do I need to have the protestant marriage annulled?
 
So here’s where every thing sits and I was hoping some one could answer my question. I was married and am now divorced. We were both Protestants, married in a protestant church, by a protestant pastor. We are now divorced and have been for a few years. I have since converted to Catholicism and am dating a catholic.
If we wanted to be married do I need to have the protestant marriage annulled?
Yes, you will need a decree of nullity. You should speak to your priest immediately. This could be a very short, or rather long process depending on the facts of your previous marriage. For example, if your previous spouse had been married before, the decree might come quickly.

Your priest will be able to give you more info.

God Bless

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So here’s where every thing sits and I was hoping some one could answer my question. I was married and am now divorced. We were both Protestants, married in a protestant church, by a protestant pastor. We are now divorced and have been for a few years. I have since converted to Catholicism and am dating a catholic.
If we wanted to be married do I need to have the protestant marriage annulled?
Here is the problem. When you converted to the Catholic faith you needed to start the Annulment process, unless you decided that you WOULD NEVER MARRY AGAIN. IT now seems that you have changed your mind. That then requires you start the Annulment process before even thinking of DATING. Start thinking like you are still married to your first husband until the Annulment is complete and the marriage is determined to be Null.
 
Cool Hand Luck;:
do I need to have the protestant marriage annulled?
I’d strongly encourage you to make an appointment with your local priest, to discuss with him what documentation you’ll need.

The first obstacle is the specific church that you were married in. There is a very large book of “unofficial guidelines” relating to marriages within specific denominations and religions. The ease with which an annulment can be obtained, range from “no more difficult than the typical cradle catholic”, to “utterly impossible, even if the entire Magisterium wants to intercede on your behalf.”

The second obstacle is getting the documentation that is needed.

If you are good speaking terms with your ex, then getting copies of documentation related to the ex, shouldn’t be too difficult. If, OTOH, your relationship with your ex, is such that your lawyer talks to his lawyer, and both lawyers are more concerned about how much they can bill for, than in actually solving your immediate problem, then getting anything might well become an exercise in futility.

When you discuss with the priest your desire to obtain an annulment, he should be able to tell you roughly how difficult the process is. If you were married in one of those denominations in which the chances of being able to obtain an annulment are non-existent, he should be able to explain to you why that is the case.

The “Formal Cause of Annulment”:​

  • Impotence (canon 1084),
  • Lack of Due Reason (canon 1095.1),
  • Lack of Due Discretion (canon 1095.2),
  • Lack of Due Competence (canon 1095.3),
  • Ignorance (canon 1096),
  • Error of Quality (canon 1097),
  • Imposed Error (canon 1098),
  • Determining Error (canon 1099),
  • Total Simulation (canon 1101),
  • *Partial Simulation due to an Intention Against Children (canon 1102),
    ** Partial Simulation due to an Intention Against Fidelity (canon 1102),
    ** Partial Simulation due to an Intention Against Perpetuity (canon 1102),
    ** Partial Simulation due to an Intention Against the Good of the Spouses (canon 1102),
    ** Partial Simulation due to an Intention Against Sacramentality, Conditions (canon 1102),
  • Force and Fear (canon 1103),
  • Defective Convalidation (canon 1160).
The following two points describe “Documentary Defects of Marriage” (For all practical purposes they do not apply to Protestant Christians):

The “Lack of Form” case:​

The church looks at the following:
  • Was either partner a Catholic;
  • Was dispensation from Canonical form granted;

Ligamen Case:​

The church looks at:
  • Previously married to somebody with a prior marriage;
  • The Church’s history of those prior marriages;
The following two points describe how to dissolve a non-Sacramental Marriage:

The Privilege of Faith:​

  • One spouse was not baptized before, or during the marriage;
    ** You have to prove that the other spouse was never baptized;
  • The requesting spouse is not the party at fault;

The Pauline Privilege:​

  • Neither party was baptized before, or during the marriage;
    ** You have to prove that both parties were not baptized before the marriage;
    ** You have to prove that both parties were not baptized during their marriage;
  • One party has since become baptized;
  • The baptized party wants to marry a Catholic;
Odds are, that you will have to go through the* Formal Process*. This is the longest, most painstaking one of the bunch. (BTW, regardless of how much the diocese bills you, it won’t cover their costs. I’d also suggest that a year or two after you have completed the process, start making donations to the Diocese Tribunal, over an above your tithe.)

From what I’ve read in this thread, neither Pauline Privilege nor the Petrine Privilege could be construed to apply in this specific situation.

I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

xan

jonathon
 
(BTW, regardless of how much the diocese bills you, it won’t cover their costs. I’d also suggest that a year or two after you have completed the process, start making donations to the Diocese Tribunal, over an above your tithe.)
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So here’s where every thing sits and I was hoping some one could answer my question. I was married and am now divorced. We were both Protestants, married in a protestant church, by a protestant pastor. We are now divorced and have been for a few years. I have since converted to Catholicism and am dating a catholic.
If we wanted to be married do I need to have the protestant marriage annulled?
Make an appointment immediately with your priest. There are no guarantees that a decree of nullity will be granted. You really should have discussed this with someone when you entered the church. Since that didn’t happen you need to realize that you might actually be in a valid marriage with the woman you are legally divorced from therefore you should not be dating. The Catholic should know better than to date a divorced person without a decree of nullity. I certainly wouldn’t .
 
If we wanted to be married do I need to have the protestant marriage annulled?
Yes.
Here is the problem. When you converted to the Catholic faith you needed to start the Annulment process, unless you decided that you WOULD NEVER MARRY AGAIN.
You really should have discussed this with someone when you entered the church.
Perhaps I am sticking my nose in (having never been a formal participant in the RCIA process), but I am tempted to call baloney.

Does RCIA really require a divorced candidate to seek nullity, if he has no intention nor plan to attempt marriage at that time!?

tee
 
Yes.

Perhaps I am sticking my nose in (having never been a formal participant in the RCIA process), but I am tempted to call baloney.

Does RCIA really require a divorced candidate to seek nullity, if he has no intention nor plan to attempt marriage at that time!?

tee
I didn’t say anyone would be required to seek nullity. The discussion should have been more about our teaching on marriage and divorce and how a person’s situation affects them. This man should have been told that he may be in a valid marriage and that he should not be dating until he finds out whether that is so. Protestants and others do not always understand or believe this so this is essential teaching that should not be avoided or forgotten so that a person coming into the church understands their responsibilities and what they are assenting to when they make their profession of faith.
 
Yes.

Perhaps I am sticking my nose in (having never been a formal participant in the RCIA process), but I am tempted to call baloney.

Does RCIA really require a divorced candidate to seek nullity, if he has no intention nor plan to attempt marriage at that time!?

tee
No, but it would require that the Catechumen or Candidate seriously reflected and decided that they most likely would never seek to Marry again. Otherwise it would be strongly suggested that they enter the Annulment process while preparing to enter the Church through RCIA.

Either way they must clearly understand that they must live their Catholic life as though they were still Married to their first spouse, in other words no dating even. That an Annulment process must be completed and returned Null before they could even think of dating again after reception into the Church.

It does not seem like that was made clear in this case.
 
Thank you both for clarifying your answers – Much more in line with my understanding.

:twocents: And while the case can be made that candidates ought to be taught this, for good or for ill the same might be said of cradle Catholics. One need only look at a few of the annulment threads in this forum to recognize that not all are. 😦

tee
 
Thank you to every one, you have all been very helpful in this matter. To clarify a little confusion on why I did not know a lot of this is because I am still in the conversion process, IE I have not had my first communion. I have not yet started classes either as my job is a late job and all the Catholic RCIA classes in my area are on Tuesday nights at 6pm. I am trying to work some thing out with the priest as I have done a lot of self study (most of it done to try to disprove the faith ironically enough). I attend church on a weekly basis, and I am reading the Catechism.
Sorry, I did not mean to ramble, it is late and I should already be in bed. My main point was to thank every one who responded, a appreciate you all.
 
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