Marriage as it was in the beginning, Adam and Eve

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I recently learned that God actually created Eve as Adam’s wife. This is the most radical concept of natural marriage and says a whole lot about how God views marriage. In the following verses of Sacred Scripture, Jesus is asked about divorce. But Jesus answers the hypocrites by telling them what true marriage is about:
Matthew 19:4-6
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He answered, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.”
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This natural marriage, as it was in the beginning, was raised from the natural to the supernatural in the sacrament of holy matrimony.
 
livingwordunity said:
I recently learned that God actually created Eve as Adam’s wife. This is the most radical concept of natural marriage and says a whole lot about how God views marriage. In the following verses of Sacred Scripture, Jesus is asked about divorce. But Jesus answers the hypocrites by telling them what true marriage is about:

This natural marriage, as it was in the beginning, was raised from the natural to the supernatural in the sacrament of holy matrimony.
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Is it a Catholic belief that Adam and Eve actually existed? Doesn’t it completely contradict evolution?
 
interestedman said:
Is it a Catholic belief that Adam and Eve actually existed? Doesn’t it completely contradict evolution?
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The Genesis account isn’t meant to be strictly literal, but it’s a story about two real people who committed original sin. In doing so, they severed the relationship between God and mankind. Their relationship with God died. This is what was meant with the promise that as soon as they ate of the forbidden fruit they would surely die. Catholic teaching on evolution is that we can believe that there could have been other forms that led up to the first man and woman. But these two who we call “Adam and Eve” were the first in the line of human evolution that God gave a soul, intellect, and free will like us.
 
interestedman said:
Is it a Catholic belief that Adam and Eve actually existed? Doesn’t it completely contradict evolution?
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To question 1, yes, to question 2, no. The two can be reconciled without challenging current scientific teaching.
 
interestedman said:
Is it a Catholic belief that Adam and Eve actually existed? Doesn’t it completely contradict evolution?
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It can be reconciled with Catholic teaching, but it’s not really that proven that evolution happened either.
 
interestedman said:
Is it a Catholic belief that Adam and Eve actually existed? Doesn’t it completely contradict evolution?
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Adam and Eve are our first parents in the flesh and it completely contradicts evolution. In the beginning they were created spotless, pure, without sin, more beautiful in appearance than any other creature, naked and in love united, but after the fall they died because they have chosen sin. Evolution is a lie. We come from Adam and Eve and unfortunately die because of them.
In Jesus and Mary we can come back to the state of grace again and live. That’s why the church.
 
livingwordunity said:
I recently learned that God actually created Eve as Adam’s wife. This is the most radical concept of natural marriage and says a whole lot about how God views marriage. In the following verses of Sacred Scripture, Jesus is asked about divorce. But Jesus answers the hypocrites by telling them what true marriage is about:

This natural marriage, as it was in the beginning, was raised from the natural to the supernatural in the sacrament of holy matrimony.
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It really depends if you accept Biblical literalism. Nearly all scientists agree that life on earth evolved instead of being created, and there really isn’t any evidence for Adam and Eve’s actual existence, or that of the Garden of Eden. It is in fact NOT a Catholic doctrine that Genesis is literal, or that evolution is false.

If you agree that A&M probably never existed then your argument doesn’t really work, but if you say that they did, and the earth is only 6,000 years old, etc, then you’re just deluding yourself with pseudoscience. May as well adjust your healing crystals and check your horoscope for the weather tomorrow if you’re going to do that. 😃
 
andreashofer said:
Adam and Eve are our first parents in the flesh and it completely contradicts evolution. In the beginning they were created spotless, pure, without sin, more beautiful in appearance than any other creature, naked and in love united, but after the fall they died because they have chosen sin. Evolution is a lie. We come from Adam and Eve and unfortunately die because of them.
In Jesus and Mary we can come back to the state of grace again and live. That’s why the church.
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Oh the silliness…:rolleyes:
 
Poseidon said:
It really depends if you accept Biblical literalism. Nearly all scientists agree that life on earth evolved instead of being created, and there really isn’t any evidence for Adam and Eve’s actual existence, or that of the Garden of Eden. It is in fact NOT a Catholic doctrine that Genesis is literal, or that evolution is false.

If you agree that A&M probably never existed then your argument doesn’t really work, but if you say that they did, and the earth is only 6,000 years old, etc, then you’re just deluding yourself with pseudoscience. May as well adjust your healing crystals and check your horoscope for the weather tomorrow if you’re going to do that. 😃
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Church teaching does not require us to believe Genesis is literal but it DOES require us to believe Adam and Eve existed. This, however, CAN be reconciled with the most widely accepted scientific theories of the day without contradicting Church teaching. You just need to be very careful when explaining it.
 
Poseidon said:
It really depends if you accept Biblical literalism. Nearly all scientists agree that life on earth evolved instead of being created, and there really isn’t any evidence for Adam and Eve’s actual existence, or that of the Garden of Eden. It is in fact NOT a Catholic doctrine that Genesis is literal, or that evolution is false.

If you agree that A&M probably never existed then your argument doesn’t really work, but if you say that they did, and the earth is only 6,000 years old, etc, then you’re just deluding yourself with pseudoscience. May as well adjust your healing crystals and check your horoscope for the weather tomorrow if you’re going to do that. 😃
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Texas A&M most certainly exists. I saw them play football on TV last fall. (sorry, I just couldn’t resist. :D) Seriously though, How about Adam and Eve did exist and during the course of evolution, they were the first beings endowed by God with a soul making them the first humans. I know it’s not proof for an atheist, but to me it seems to make Genesis and evolution compatible.
 
IMO, this is the ONLY reason for reading “Everlasting Man” by Chesterton, his excellent presentation of the commonsense argument that humans are different in kind from animals (not just degree) and that this radical difference is not explainable by descent with modification and requires a specific act of creation in our human past. The rest of the book is gobbledygook, like so much of Chesterton, who really sounds like “The Sphinx” from “Mystery Men” most of the time.
 
Poseidon said:
It really depends if you accept Biblical literalism. Nearly all scientists agree that life on earth evolved instead of being created, and there really isn’t any evidence for Adam and Eve’s actual existence, or that of the Garden of Eden. It is in fact NOT a Catholic doctrine that Genesis is literal, or that evolution is false.

If you agree that A&M probably never existed then your argument doesn’t really work, but if you say that they did, and the earth is only 6,000 years old, etc, then you’re just deluding yourself with pseudoscience. May as well adjust your healing crystals and check your horoscope for the weather tomorrow if you’re going to do that. 😃
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Wait, what? No evidence Adam and Eves existence? Theres only billions of people currently inhabiting the earth, Id say that is evidence.
 
Poseidon said:
It really depends if you accept Biblical literalism. Nearly all scientists agree that life on earth evolved instead of being created, and there really isn’t any evidence for Adam and Eve’s actual existence, or that of the Garden of Eden. It is in fact NOT a Catholic doctrine that Genesis is literal, or that evolution is false.

If you agree that A&M probably never existed then your argument doesn’t really work, but if you say that they did, and the earth is only 6,000 years old, etc, then you’re just deluding yourself with pseudoscience. May as well adjust your healing crystals and check your horoscope for the weather tomorrow if you’re going to do that. 😃
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My post wasn’t against the possibility of evolution (see post #3 of this thread).
 
livingwordunity said:
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And i thought it was science that also states that all human life can be traced back to one woman too? That contradicts its own theory that a bunch of apes just turned human at the same time instead of a gradual process.
 
Poseidon said:
It really depends if you accept Biblical literalism. Nearly all scientists agree that life on earth evolved instead of being created, and there really isn’t any evidence for Adam and Eve’s actual existence, or that of the Garden of Eden. It is in fact NOT a Catholic doctrine that Genesis is literal, or that evolution is false.

If you agree that A&M probably never existed then your argument doesn’t really work, but if you say that they did, and the earth is only 6,000 years old, etc, then you’re just deluding yourself with pseudoscience. May as well adjust your healing crystals and check your horoscope for the weather tomorrow if you’re going to do that. 😃
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Really? How come with recent DNA studies it shows that all of mankind descended from one female from Africa? Maybe her literal name isn’t Eve, but science has dug up evidence that we have a single biological ancestral matriarch. Unfortunately, DNA can’t be used to prove that there was also one man.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Really? How come with recent DNA studies it shows that all of mankind descended from one female from Africa? Maybe her literal name isn’t Eve, but science has dug up evidence that we have a single biological ancestral matriarch. Unfortunately, DNA can’t be used to prove that there was also one man.
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CTG,

Do you have a link to this science?
 
interestedman said:
Is it a Catholic belief that Adam and Eve actually existed? Doesn’t it completely contradict evolution?
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Interested,

If you are interested read Humani Generis, the Chruch document concerning this question.

papalencyclicals.net/Pius12/P12HUMAN.HTM

Evolution is a theory.

Adam and Eve is a belief. This belief is part and parcel of the Christology of redemption.

You will understand that after you read Humani Generis, evolution is discussed there, and then your question should be answered, if you are truly interested.
 
Poseidon said:
If you agree that A&M probably never existed then your argument doesn’t really work, but if you say that they did, and the earth is only 6,000 years old, etc, then you’re just deluding yourself with pseudoscience. May as well adjust your healing crystals and check your horoscope for the weather tomorrow if you’re going to do that. 😃
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You know that pile of bones they dug out of Africa I think it was, several years ago, and called her “Lucy”?

You think her name was really Lucy?

A&E are simply the names we have given to the first persons aware of God. Perhaps God allowed them to be concieved in the wombs of their monkey mums with an immortal soul and awareness of Him, they met when he wandered into her tribe’s Mastadon’s hunting terrority and she thought he was one of the hairiest men she’d ever seen! It was love at first club blow! They got together, “married” and then sinned against the God they knew.

Genesis simply represents the concepts that God created man and woman, that they sinned, and that apples are bad news.
 
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