The Catholic party will still need to promise to do everything in his/her power to raise any children that will result from the union in the Catholic faith. The non-Catholic is told of the promise but doesn’t have to promise anything in return. He/she is not expected to convert to Catholicism.A couple of questions about getting a marriage (performed outside the church) blessed: Is it OK if the the non-Catholic spouse has no interest in becoming Catholic? Can the blessing be performed without an agreement to raise future children as Catholics?
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The non-Catholic Spouse dose not need to be interested in becoming Catholic. But must agree not to interfere in the Catholics practice of the Faith, including the Baptizing and raising of the children Catholic. Which leads to the second question. Why would a practicing Catholic not want to share their faith with their children?A couple of questions about getting a marriage (performed outside the church) blessed: Is it OK if the the non-Catholic spouse has no interest in becoming Catholic? Can the blessing be performed without an agreement to raise future children as Catholics?
Thanks.
Wait a minute, the non-Catholic doesn’t have to agree to anything, not since the new Code of Canon Law. He/she is simply informed of the Catholic’s promise, nothing more. This is out of respect for the non-Catholic party who has a right to pass on his/her faith to the children.The non-Catholic Spouse dose not need to be interested in becoming Catholic. But must agree not to interfere in the Catholics practice of the Faith, including the Baptizing and raising of the children Catholic. Which leads to the second question. Why would a practicing Catholic not want to share their faith with their children?
Yes.A couple of questions about getting a marriage (performed outside the church) blessed: Is it OK if the the non-Catholic spouse has no interest in becoming Catholic?
No. The Catholic party MUST promise to raise their children as Catholics and the non-Catholic must be advised of the promise.Can the blessing be performed without an agreement to raise future children as Catholics?
That is correct they do not promise to **do **anything. They simply acknowledge that they understand the Catholic’s obligations and agree not interfere.Wait a minute, the non-Catholic doesn’t have to agree to anything, not since the new Code of Canon Law. He/she is simply informed of the Catholic’s promise, nothing more. This is out of respect for the non-Catholic party who has a right to pass on his/her faith to the children.
Nothing in the forms they have to sign says anything about agreeing, only that they have been informed and understand. They have no obligation to agree, unlike when my husband & I got married. It’s explicitly stated in the prenuptial investigation forms that we have from the diocese.That is correct they do not promise to **do **anything. They simply acknowledge that they understand the Catholic’s obligations and agree not interfere.
the marriage cannot be convalidated unless the circumstances pertaining to a valid contract are present. the priest who prepares you can explain what those are, and yes they do include assent to the meaning of marriage including openness to life, fidelity etc. The promise to raise children Catholic is made by the Catholic party, but the non-Catholic party must be informed of law applicable to the Catholic spouse.A couple of questions about getting a marriage (performed outside the church) blessed: Is it OK if the the non-Catholic spouse has no interest in becoming Catholic? Can the blessing be performed without an agreement to raise future children as Catholics?
Thanks.
It is asked here if they understand and agree not to interfere with the Catholic’s practice of the Faith, which includes the obligations just explained.Nothing in the forms they have to sign says anything about agreeing, only that they have been informed and understand. They have no obligation to agree, unlike when my husband & I got married. It’s explicitly stated in the prenuptial investigation forms that we have from the diocese.
Then it must be either a diocesan or a Conference policy because Canon Law doesn’t read that way.It is asked here if they understand and agree not to interfere with the Catholic’s practice of the Faith, which includes the obligations just explained.
Yes, it is a pastoral decision.Then it must be either a diocesan or a Conference policy because Canon Law doesn’t read that way.
From the March 25, 1993 DIRECTORY FOR THE APPLICATION OFYes, it is a pastoral decision.
There are some relative canons for instance-
2ƒ the other party is to be informed in good time of these promises to be made by the catholic party, so that it is certain
that he or she is truly aware of the promise and of the obligation of the catholic party
and
ß2 The local Ordinary is not to give permission to assist at the marriage of a person who has notoriously rejected the Catholic faith unless, with the appropriate adjustments, the norms of can. 1125 have been observed.
Those two parts aren’t part of the same canon. I believe the one directly above refers to someone who was baptized Catholic and has rejected the faith.
If a priest thinks that the Catholic will have difficulty living according to the Catholic faith and keeping his/her promises then he might recommend against marriage.
That’s true.
So pretty much that discussion takes place where the priest must ask if the non Catholic intends to interfere or not.
But that puts the responsibility on the shoulders of the non-Catholic & makes him/her the heavy. The responsibility belongs to the Catholic to live his faith.
- When, for a just and reasonable cause, permission for a mixed marriage is requested, both parties are to be instructed on the essential ends and properties of marriage which are not to be excluded by either party. Furthermore, the Catholic party will be asked to affirm, in the form established by the particular law of the Eastern Catholic Churches or by the Episcopal Conference, that he or she is prepared to avoid the dangers of abandoning the faith and to promise sincerely to do all in hisher power to see that the children of the marriage be baptized and educated in the Catholic Church. The other partner is to be informed of these promises and responsibilities.142 At the same time, it should be recognized that the non-Catholic partner may feel a like obligation because of his/her own Christian commitment. It is to be noted that no formal written or oral promise is required of this partner in Canon Law.
Phemie:From the March 25, 1993 DIRECTORY FOR THE APPLICATION OF
PRINCIPLES AND NORMS ON ECUMENISM
I know the obligation of the Catholic and the promise he/she makes. What I was trying to show was that nowhere does it state that the non-Catholic has to agree not to interfere. The non-Catholic only has to be informed of the promise made.Phemie:
What you highlighted on lists the negation of the obligation of the non-Catholic party. The Catholic party still has a responsibility to rear the children according to the laws of Christ and His Church. This provision is still a part of the marriage consent. Believe me, having heard about this on the average of 80 times a year for three years (the Cathedral averaged about 80 weddings a year), I can say the consent in my sleep.
I thought of this thread when I was perusing my Marriage rite (Canada) this morning. In the pastoral notes it says:Phemie:
What you highlighted on lists the negation of the obligation of the non-Catholic party. The Catholic party still has a responsibility to rear the children according to the laws of Christ and His Church. This provision is still a part of the marriage consent. Believe me, having heard about this on the average of 80 times a year for three years (the Cathedral averaged about 80 weddings a year), I can say the consent in my sleep.
The Catholic is to make a promise and a declaration. These are made orally, and the other party is to be informed of them (Norms 7). They bind the Catholic in conscience for life (Norms 5). The Catholic party:
- Declares that he or she intends to remain faithful to the Catholic faith and the practices and laws of the Catholic Church (Norms 3; preamble, no. 6).
- After discussion with the other party, he or she promises to do the utmost to see that the children are baptized and raised as Catholics “while respecting the religious convictions of the non-Catholic partner and without placing their conjugal life in jeopardy” (Norms 4).
Ok, it’s up to the conferences of Bishops to establish norms for their territory.It is asked here if they understand and agree not to interfere with the Catholic’s practice of the Faith, which includes the obligations just explained.