That is correct. The Marriage Rite takes place outside the Mass when a Catholic marries an unbaptized person.My daughter is marrying someone who is not baptized and the priest said there can be no Mass.
It’s not about the people in attendance. It’s about the couple presenting themselves for marriage. He is not baptized. When two Catholics marry, they do so at the altar and during the Mass. When a Catholic marries an unbaptized person, they are not married at the altar, and not during Mass.Why can’t there be a Mass at a marriage to an unbaptized person? They can go to Mass on Sunday or any day of the week. Half of the people in attendance will be Catholic.
No. Marriage is a sacrament only between two baptized persons.Also is this ceremony considered to be the Sacrament of Matrimony for my daughter?
It’s about being baptized here, not about being Catholic. If she were marrying a baptized Anglican or Lutheran she could, if she really wished it, have a Nuptial Mass and the marriage would be sacramental because both of them are baptized.I know there are people who will criticize me for this but there seems to be a double standard here. My first husband had been baptized in a Catholic Church when he was an infant simply because that was the closest church to where his family lived and his parents wanted him to be baptized somewhere. He never again went to a Catholic Church until the day we were married but he was considered a Catholic! I could never understand that. Simply being baptized as an infant made him a Catholic even though he knew absolutely nothing about the Church or teachings. Even after we were married he refused to go to Mass with me.
Your daughter is marrying the man she loves, he has not been baptized, so she is being denied a Sacramental marriage. Has he been baptized in any church? Does he belong to any religion?
This is how important that Church believes in Baptism. It is a powerful sacrament that puts an indelible mark on the soul. Baptism signs you up!!!I know there are people who will criticize me for this but there seems to be a double standard here. My first husband had been baptized in a Catholic Church when he was an infant simply because that was the closest church to where his family lived and his parents wanted him to be baptized somewhere. He never again went to a Catholic Church until the day we were married but he was considered a Catholic! I could never understand that. Simply being baptized as an infant made him a Catholic even though he knew absolutely nothing about the Church or teachings. Even after we were married he refused to go to Mass with me.
Your daughter is marrying the man she loves, he has not been baptized, so she is being denied a Sacramental marriage. Has he been baptized in any church? Does he belong to any religion?
No, it is not a Sacrament, because the Sacrament requires two Baptized persons free to Marry.My daughter is marrying someone who is not baptized and the priest said there can be no Mass. Why can’t there be a Mass at a marriage to an unbaptized person? They can go to Mass on Sunday or any day of the week. Half of the people in attendance will be Catholic.
Also is this ceremony considered to be the Sacrament of Matrimony for my daughter?
This is why the Church reqiures that the pastor be assured that the child will be raised in the Catholic faith before Baptizing a child at the request of the parents. It is a serious obligation that his parents failed at.I know there are people who will criticize me for this but there seems to be a double standard here. My first husband had been baptized in a Catholic Church when he was an infant simply because that was the closest church to where his family lived and his parents wanted him to be baptized somewhere. He never again went to a Catholic Church until the day we were married but he was considered a Catholic! I could never understand that. Simply being baptized as an infant made him a Catholic even though he knew absolutely nothing about the Church or teachings. Even after we were married he refused to go to Mass with me.
Your daughter is marrying the man she loves, he has not been baptized, so she is being denied a Sacramental marriage. Has he been baptized in any church? Does he belong to any religion?
The Rite indicates that the Bishop must give permission for a Mass at a Mixed Marriage.My husband and I had a Mass at our wedding,he was not baptized. I understood that our marriage was not a sacrement until he became baptized, but I didn’t think that meant we couldn’t have a mass. BTW, we did have all the proper dispensations. Are you guys positive that Mass isn’t allowed?
Meaning that having it outside Mass means the sacrament ISN’T enacted?To have the marriage ceremony during mass means that the sacrament of matrimony is being enacted. In the case of a person who isn’t baptized, that would be a lie.
No, A Sacramental Marriage can be celebrated outside of Mass.Meaning that having it outside Mass means the sacrament ISN’T enacted?
I know, I’m in one.No, A Sacramental Marriage can be celebrated outside of Mass.
No. Here is some propositional logic.Meaning that having it outside Mass means the sacrament ISN’T enacted?
I know of a Bishop who celebrated a marriage in a mass and one person was not baptized. It can be done.According to the USCCB (see here):
A Nuptial Mass is a Mass which includes the celebration of the sacrament of marriage. It has special readings and prayers suitable to the Sacrament of Marriage. The Sacrament of Marriage between two baptized Catholics should normally be celebrated within Mass.
- What is a Nuptial Mass and when can a couple have one?
If the situation warrants it and the local bishop gives permission, a Nuptial Mass may be celebrated for a marriage between a Catholic and a baptized person who is not a Catholic, except that Communion is not given to the non-Catholic since the general law of the church does not allow it. In such instances, it is better to use the appropriate ritual for marriage outside Mass. This is always the case in a marriage between a baptized Catholic and a non-baptized person.
I was an unbaptized when I married my spouse, a practicing catholic. We were allowed to marry with in the catholic church before the alter. We did not have a full mass at our wedding, communion was not offered.A non-baptized person can not receive a sacrament and the sacrament can not be received by just one half of the couple. That’s why her marriage will be a natural marriage and not a sacramental marriage.
I’ve personally seen a number of things that were done yet were still against the rules. For example, I’ve seen a woman deliver the homily at Mass.I know of a Bishop who celebrated a marriage in a mass and one person was not baptized. It can be done.
Just Lurking I agree with you on that point. I don’t like it either. I asked about this awhile back on CAF and was told that in this matter, the Bishop may make this decision. I thought I read on somewhere in a document that it was permissable. This is a particularly orthdox bishop too.I’ve personally seen a number of things that were done yet were still against the rules. For example, I’ve seen a woman deliver the homily at Mass.
I seem to recall a thread a while back where a Catholic priest married a couple before one of their annulments came back, on the theory that it was a sure thing, and even if it did turn out to be denied, the person deserved it anyway.
There is a wide gap between theory and practice in the Catholic Church.