Marriage consomation

[ClearWater]

Here is more from the USCCB describing how policies may differ even in these United States.

usccb.org/issues-and-action/marriage-and-family/marriage/marriage-preparation/mpanalysis.cfm

Ok. there. I am done. If you wish to know what some village in Namibia requires you will have to look it up!

You’d be surprised.

Well, I had one student who was really upset. She was saying that people in her class thought that because she was from Mexico that she went to class riding a “burro”. She explained that we have Nintendo and all here, too.

My sister met someone from Africa, and my sister was asking her about life there. Like, my sister thought they ate bugs in Africa. The lady explained that they have WalMart, same as us and a lot of the things.



I have worked with the indigenous here, but their numbers are relatively small, and they are more like you suggested about the village in a rural location.

However, more and more, life is getting more advanced all over the world.

 

[1ke]

Remember in out american eyes. Pre Cana Classes and such are not a universal mandate in all areas.

Premarital investigation IS universal.

Pre-Cana is a particular marriage prep program, which you correctly point out is not universal. But, it isn’t actually the premarital investigation. That will be conducted by the pastor.

 

[1ke]

…a life without love…how sad.

That is a false dichotomy.

 

[1ke]

Well, it makes marriage all about reproduction, not love.

The purpose of marriage it twofold, and the ends cannot be separated. You are starting to get it-- marriage is a vocation to service and family. In marriage we exchange persons, we exchange the right to conjugal relations. It is not possible for someone to exchange what he does not possess and cannot give.

Current culture has distorted what marriage is, what it is for. The word matrimony literally means “the making of a mother”.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Premarital investigation IS universal.

Pre-Cana is a particular marriage prep program, which you correctly point out is not universal. But, it isn’t actually the premarital investigation. That will be conducted by the pastor.

You always can say it better than I.

 

[1ke]

Can someone in that case appeal that decision or is it carved in stone?

No. It is not an impediment that can be dispensed.

 

[ClearWater]

That is a false dichotomy.

I feel badly for anyone who has a disability of that kind, that the Church will never permit them marry is all, no exceptions.

I find it sad. Don’t you?

Some of these things make me question Catholicism, the fairness of it.

 

[ClearWater]

I believe people with disabilities are capable of love, even married love.

Anyway, doesn’t matter what I think or feel.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

I believe people with disabilities are capable of love, even married love.

Anyway, doesn’t matter what I think or feel.

I believe that people with same sex attraction are capable of love but two people of the same sex can’t marry. A life without love…

 

[1ke]

I feel badly for anyone who has a disability of that kind, that the Church will never permit them marry is all, no exceptions.

It isn’t within the Church’s power to allow it. It is a divine law impediment.

I find it sad. Don’t you?

No. I don’t.

Some of these things make me question Catholicism, the fairness of it.

It all goes back to the purpose of marriage.

 

[ClearWater]

I believe that people with same sex attraction are capable of love but two people of the same sex can’t marry. A life without love…

Homosexuality is a little different, one of the 4 sins that cries to heaven for vengeance.

SSA, is also a sad case. It is.

With heterosexuals not being allowed to marry due to one’s being impotent seemed sad, since if they can have sex one time, and be impotent, they can be “married” for life.

 

[ClearWater]

It isn’t within the Church’s power to allow it. It is a divine law impediment.

No. I don’t.

It all goes back to the purpose of marriage.

You don’t?

Well, I feel for different people. Yes, I feel for people with SSA, as well. I have a different kind of cross, but yes, in all honesty, that must be a really hard cross to bear.

I feel for people with disabilities who are rejected their entire lives by society, find someone who loves them unconditionally, can’t marry, no exceptions.

I find it sad.

I just have worked with people with disabilities. I have had a disability myself for 40 years. Mine’s a little different, but I can empathize with people who might have a different cross than my own.

It can feel sort of cold, the way this is delivered, without compassion. This is the rule…too bad.

 

[ClearWater]

This thread is making me wonder why I’m Catholic, actually.

Let me take a breather.

 

[Elizium23]

Really? Doesn’t seem fair, does it?

…a life without love…how sad.

Life isn’t fair. I know.

Well, it said even if neither could consumate it, the Church would still forbid it.

Doesn’t seem fair is all I’m saying.

Well, it makes marriage all about reproduction, not love.

And you’re making love all about sex. Now you should know that as Christians we believe in love that is more than that, and doesn’t need sex to make it complete and perfect.

 

[fpt]

why is it immoral not to consomate a marriage now?

joseph and mary didn’t consomate theirs and it was a mutual agreement.

The unilateral refusal of consuming of the marriage that is coming from one of spouse is not respectful of the natural moral order of marriage. Each spouse has the moral right of getting the consummation of the marital act: the opposability to the right on the body, the right to the body and the right of the body. The conjugal debt for union of bodies is still existing.
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Only, the bilateral refusal of consuming of the marriage coming from both spouse can be respectful the natural moral order of marriage, under particular conditions**, but at each second, each spouse has the natural right of modifying his or her mind, unilaterally, and thus to request the practicing of the union of bodies, the opposability is and stays the first rule. In this case, the asker, that has just changed his or her mind, **does not act wrongly. That is her or his moral right. **

 

[Bruised_Reed]

And you’re making love all about sex. Now you should know that as Christians we believe in love that is more than that, and doesn’t need sex to make it complete and perfect.

I don’t think she is. Nor do most people who have a problem with this impediment to marriage. I think they feel that this would be the purest form of love, because sex is not an option. Couples would marry for companionship and love; not that much different from a couple that is infertile.

Except that this impediment to marriage it isn’t about infertility but impotence. Marriage is the only state in life that the Church teaches that sex is licit; therefore consummation must be an option.