Marriage, Continence, the Intellect, Virtuous sexual activity

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RPRPsych,
Unless you are at a different site than I am, there are images on this page and no hyperlinks. I can not open anything. Below is all I could find.
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Yes, I’d like to have that link. Thanks. Similarly I wonder if you can link to a Church document on the liceity of marital relations after child bearing years have passed. I’ve seen a Jesuit moral theologian cited here who taught that older couples should cease relations and “elevate their thoughts” as they prepared for death. I asked my pastor about that, and his response was that it was perfectly fine for older couples to be intimate. But I still wonder about that as a Jesuit moral theologian’s training and credentials must surely be more in depth than a parish priest’s. Maybe intimacy or the possible need to cease intimacy is part of the “just moderation” teaching?
To say they should is not a mandate, and it could only be by mutual consent, or by just abstinence for medical or psychological or social reason.

Pope Pius XII:

“Marriage is a mutual commitment in which each side ceases to be autonomous, in various ways and also sexually: the sexual liberty in agreement together is great; here, so long as they are not immoderate so as to become slaves of sensuality, nothing is shameful, if the complete acts - the ones involving ejaculation of the man’s seed - that they engage in are true and real marriage acts.”

Address to the Second World Congress on Fertility and Sterility, May 19, 1956, AAS 48 (1956) 470.

Here is an marriage manual by T.G. Wayne - Morals and Marriage, published in 1936, EWTN has the document in their library:
ewtn.com/library/MARRIAGE/MORMAR.txt
 
But can chaste marital relations also include passion? Traditionally there was a fear of passion in marital sexual activity because it could lead to carnality and the temporary loss of reason. Can marital chastity and passion co-exist, and if so, how?
Salutations,
There better be passion with marital coitus. Pope John Paul II gave us the privilege to enjoy marital intercourse and enjoy it on days when you cannot get pregnant. Science found how we can discern our fertile days. “BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY.” That could mean no sex except on fertile days. Then read “THE SONG OF SOLOMAN” It is very sensual.
I have never suffered in the romantic moments with my husband. There were nights he had to remind me he had a license. Chuckle.
God made us to enjoy marital relations. THERE ARE PRACTICES THAT ARE NOT GODLY, PEOPLE USE IN THE SEXUAL ACT. FOR INSTANCE “FIFTY SHADES OF GREY” I am going on word of mouth, as I would not read the book or see the movie. We can wear pretty negligees. Wear lovely fragrances. We can initiate certain touches. We can, if athletic, follow positions in the KarmaSutra. I’d have to call 911 if we tried something acrobatic.
I hope you are not in a relationship that has problems. You love someone, you want to share his body. If he is asking for things of you that are obscene, he probably would have been into pornography. A wife is not a porn star. You would need counseling.
READ Ephesians, it is a cool letter. Chapter 3 fills me with God’s love. Chapter4,5,6 are family oriented. Somewhere it says his body is yours and your body is his. You are to respect and desire him. He is to love you, as Christ loves the church, even to lay His life down for you.
So, relax and enjoy yourself in your relationship with your spouse. You should have passion and experience the “O” word. PM me if you need further in formation
in Christ’s love,
Tweedlealice
 
Salutations,
There better be passion with marital coitus. Pope John Paul II gave us the privilege to enjoy marital intercourse and enjoy it on days when you cannot get pregnant. Science found how we can discern our fertile days. “BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY.” That could mean no sex except on fertile days. Then read “THE SONG OF SOLOMAN” It is very sensual.
I have never suffered in the romantic moments with my husband. There were nights he had to remind me he had a license. Chuckle.
God made us to enjoy marital relations. THERE ARE PRACTICES THAT ARE NOT GODLY, PEOPLE USE IN THE SEXUAL ACT. FOR INSTANCE “FIFTY SHADES OF GREY” I am going on word of mouth, as I would not read the book or see the movie. We can wear pretty negligees. Wear lovely fragrances. We can initiate certain touches. We can, if athletic, follow positions in the KarmaSutra. I’d have to call 911 if we tried something acrobatic.
I hope you are not in a relationship that has problems. You love someone, you want to share his body. If he is asking for things of you that are obscene, he probably would have been into pornography. A wife is not a porn star. You would need counseling.
READ Ephesians, it is a cool letter. Chapter 3 fills me with God’s love. Chapter4,5,6 are family oriented. Somewhere it says his body is yours and your body is his. You are to respect and desire him. He is to love you, as Christ loves the church, even to lay His life down for you.
So, relax and enjoy yourself in your relationship with your spouse. You should have passion and experience the “O” word. PM me if you need further in formation
in Christ’s love,
Tweedlealice
Even before St. Pope John Paul II, I found that the Apostolic Penitentary had (in 1880) expressed permission and gave the definition of what we now call NFP, then called periodic continence, as to abstain … except on those days which, according to certain recent theories, conception is impossible for natural reasons.

"De uso exclusivo temporum agenneseos:

“Qu.:An licita in se sit praxis coniugum, qui, cum ob iustas et graves causas prolem honesto modo evitare malint, ex mutuo consensu et motivo honesto a matrimonio utendo abstinent praeterquam diebus, quibus secundum quorundam recentiorum theoremata ob rationes naturales conceptio haberi non potest?”

“Resp.: Provisum est per Resp. S. Paenitentiariae, 16. Iun. 1880.”

Question: “Whether it is licit to make use of marriage only on those days when it is more difficult for conception to occur?”

Response: “Spouses using the aforesaid method are not to be disturbed; and a confessor may, with due caution, suggest this proposal to spouses, if his other attempts to lead them away from the detestable crime of onanism have proved fruitless.”

"Qu:. An licitus sit usus matrimonii illis tantum diebus, quibus difficilior est conceptio?

“Resp.: Coniuges praedicto modo utentes inquietandos non esse, posseque confessarium sententiam de qua agitur, illis coniugibus, caute tamen, insinuare, quos alia ratione a detestabili onanismi crimine abducere frustra tentaverit”

Denzinger (DS) 3148. Published in Nouvelle Revue Théologique, vol. 13 (1881), pp. 459-460, and then in Analecta Iuris Pontificii, vol. 22 (1883), p. 249.
 
RPRPsych,
Thanks, the link immediately opened up. I appreciate your follow-up effort.
atassina
 
…Maybe intimacy or the possible need to cease intimacy is part of the “just moderation” teaching?
This arises naturally as the desire and capacity for sexual relations fade with age. Responsible parenthood is relevant as a basis to limit sexual relations, but I know of no other.
 
When does passion become lust?
I have answered that question before somewhere else, and here is the copy & paste.

First let’s take the CCC definition on lust.”2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.”

Having said that, having sexual thoughts of your wife is NOT lustful as long as you don’t do it for self-pleasure and seeing her as an object of self-gratification, because she is YOURS. You can think of her, she belongs to you. Your wife is not a forbidden fruit. You are not coveting nor desiring someone who is not your wife. Now, it IS possible to purposely have lustful thoughts of your wife only by simply thinking of her as an object or woman for your self gratification, for your pleasure. That was lust. She is your wife, yours, and it is right to desire to love her (sex is an expression of love, true sex, that is…I’ll explain soon) you want to do what God ordered us to do for the good of yourselves. .

In marriage, chastity is also required. And for this, let me explain what is sex. Sex is a sexual marital act between a man and a woman intended for the good of themselves and to procreate children. As simple as that.

Sex is NOT:
Ordered outside of marriage. Sex outside the marital bond is not unitive, is not loving, and is not moral.
Meant to seek self-pleasure.
A sexual marital act where the wholeness and dignity of the person is denied by the use of contraception.

Hope this helps.
 
Even before St. Pope John Paul II, I found that the Apostolic Penitentary had (in 1880) expressed permission and gave the definition of what we now call NFP, then called periodic continence, as to abstain … except on those days which, according to certain recent theories, conception is impossible for natural reasons.

"De uso exclusivo temporum agenneseos:

“Qu.:An licita in se sit praxis coniugum, qui, cum ob iustas et graves causas prolem honesto modo evitare malint, ex mutuo consensu et motivo honesto a matrimonio utendo abstinent praeterquam diebus, quibus secundum quorundam recentiorum theoremata ob rationes naturales conceptio haberi non potest?”

“Resp.: Provisum est per Resp. S. Paenitentiariae, 16. Iun. 1880.”

Question: “Whether it is licit to make use of marriage only on those days when it is more difficult for conception to occur?”

Response: “Spouses using the aforesaid method are not to be disturbed; and a confessor may, with due caution, suggest this proposal to spouses, if his other attempts to lead them away from the detestable crime of onanism have proved fruitless.”

"Qu:. An licitus sit usus matrimonii illis tantum diebus, quibus difficilior est conceptio?

“Resp.: Coniuges praedicto modo utentes inquietandos non esse, posseque confessarium sententiam de qua agitur, illis coniugibus, caute tamen, insinuare, quos alia ratione a detestabili onanismi crimine abducere frustra tentaverit”

Denzinger (DS) 3148. Published in Nouvelle Revue Théologique, vol. 13 (1881), pp. 459-460, and then in Analecta Iuris Pontificii, vol. 22 (1883), p. 249.
Hi,
My Latin isn’t that good. Straining , I got the jist. I wasn’t born in the 1800’s. If I were I know technology would be beyond my skills.
God bless. I bow to your superior reading and language skills.
in Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
 
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