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a few months ago my husband told me that after 18 years of marriage and 2children that he does not want to “try” anymore, has “tried” and wants to find someone new. we are signed up for the retroviulle next month. Please pray that his heart becomes more open to Gods grace to help revive and save our marriage.
He too is catholic, we were married in the church and he attends mass almost every day during lent.
I am not ready to give up and have told him so.
 
:knight2: St Joseph, patron of families, please intercede for this family!

Gracious Saint Joseph, protect mommabear and her family from all evil as you did the Holy Family. Kindly keep them ever united in the love of Christ, ever fervent in imitation of the virtue of our Blessed Lady, your sinless spouse, and always faithful in devotion to you. Amen.

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a few months ago my husband told me that after 18 years of marriage and 2children that he does not want to “try” anymore, has “tried” and wants to find someone new. we are signed up for the retroviulle next month. Please pray that his heart becomes more open to Gods grace to help revive and save our marriage.
He too is catholic, we were married in the church and he attends mass almost every day during lent.
I am not ready to give up and have told him so.
I’m so sorry for you two. I’ve heard great things about the program. Sometimes us men get a tad overwhelmed with things. I’ll be praying for both of you. Actually, all 4!

I will say something else which I hope is helpful. My wife and I attended 10 Great Dates marriage enhancement program at the church last year (our 18th year of marriage). Most all of the couples there were married 16-19 years! I think that was signifficant. Sometimes we grow apart slowly over time based on choices we’ve made or feelings we’ve not expressed. I, too, was looking into Retrovuille. Many here went through that program and were pleased.

Peace to you Mammabear.
 
do you think he will go to the retroviulle? he just does not want to do anything to “try”. not read the book the therapist gave us, do the exercises/ I am not sure he will go to the weekend. what happened to the commitment he made.
what is that great dates program? is that in CA?
 
do you think he will go to the retroviulle? he just does not want to do anything to “try”. not read the book the therapist gave us, do the exercises/ I am not sure he will go to the weekend. what happened to the commitment he made.
what is that great dates program? is that in CA?
MB,
I’m sorry that you are going through this and I can relate to your situation as the same thing happened to me several years ago. In my case, my wife simply said one day, “I’m tired of being a wife and a mom.” She had me leave and the kids came with me a short time later after I got setup in an apartment. I attempted to get my wife of 20 years to attend retroviulle with me, but she always seemed to have an excuse as to why she couldn’t make it. I hope that the same will not be the case in your situation, as I have heard many great things about the program. I’ll keep you in my prayers. God bless.

PS - I don’t mean to sound harsh and this may not be the case in your situation, but it’s been my experience that when a spouse says that they “want to find someone else” (or words to that extent) they usually already have. You may not be ready to give up, but please do yourself a favor and start preparing for the worst just in case.
 
If he goes to Mass every day, is he just going through the motions or is he serious?

Speaking as a male, he probably needs a fellow male to bluntly tell him, “Too bad. You bought the farm. Deal with it.” Does he have a type of accountability partner? Do you have any brothers? Is there a physically fit no-nonsense priest who can bench more than your husband can?
 
If you can just get him to Retrouvaille, there’s a chance. I was the one who was tired of trying, and left, and then always had an excuse not to go for help. But once he got me to go, Retrouvaille was exactly what I needed. God spoke to me through the program. I changed my mind, and went back to my husband. We’ve made it work for over 5 years now since our Retrouvaille weekend. I’ll pray for you that he will go. In my opinion, as someone who’s BTDT, it’s your best chance. God bless you.
 
this is entirely personal opinion just based on observation having worked with families in very different crisis modes over the years. I have no statistics to back up up, but here is the theory for what it is worth. It seems the 18th year of marriage, or thereabouts is a critical time, and I have also observed that the majority of couples who come to marriage encounter or retrouvaille are in this time frame (couple of people who work with the diocese in family life and social services have the same observation.

my guess and gut feeling is that this is the time when the oldest child reaches maturity and is ready to leave the nest for college, job, relationship, marriage etc., and the benchmarks that surround the prospect of empty nesting highlight unresolved conflicts between the couple which have, until now, been sublimated in care, concern and directing time and resources to the needs of the children. I personally think healthy marriages weather this period well, find renewed joy in being alone with each other, making plans for a future w/o kids and so forth.

Where trouble emerges at this crisis point that can sink a marriage is where the child has been the focus of conflict between the parents, has suceeded in driving a wedge between them, or has problems–developmental, emotional, physical etc.–which have been used as an excuse by one spouse to withdraw from the other. in other cases, I think the “problem child” and the issues surrounding his “problem” (whether real or imaginary) have set the stage upon which the spouses have acted out all their real conflicts, most of which have nothing to do with the child at all.

I think the way children are used as weapons by couples who do go on to divorce in this scenario is a key to how children were used as an excuse during the marriage to avoid identifying and addressing the real issues of conflict between the couple.

If the issue is money, who makes it, who spends it, who accounts for it, who controls it, that issue may play out in arguments over spending for the real or perceived needs of the children, especially of the “problem child”
“well, if you hadn’t wasted all that money dragging her to therapists and quack doctors who do no good, we would not be in this financial trouble now” type of argument.

the “problem child” can actually be the good kid or golden child, such as the gifted athlete, beauty pageant contestant, or academic allstar on whom time, attention and resources have been lavished, sometimes at the expense of other legitimate needs of the family, but what a convenient excuse to pile on all couple problems on this wagon.

bottom line if spouses do not develop an intimate, honest, open relationship of sharing, communication and mutual decision making, establish framework for leadership and delegation of duties before children come, or early in the child-raising years, but bury those conflicts or act them out in unhealthy ways through the children, those unresolved issues will jump up and bite you once the prospect of “the kids are growing up, growing independent, and no longer will be the focus of our interest 24/7” is too scary to face.

At this stage if my little tale of woe is accurate, the couple has the choice to go back in time, pursue intimacy and communication and resolve issues, or face either legal or de facto separation and divorce. One party leaves physically and/or emotionally, and the fallout begins.
 
this is entirely personal opinion just based on observation having worked with families in very different crisis modes over the years. I have no statistics to back up up, but here is the theory for what it is worth. It seems the 18th year of marriage, or thereabouts is a critical time, and I have also observed that the majority of couples who come to marriage encounter or retrouvaille are in this time frame (couple of people who work with the diocese in family life and social services have the same observation.

my guess and gut feeling is that this is the time when the oldest child reaches maturity and is ready to leave the nest for college, job, relationship, marriage etc., and the benchmarks that surround the prospect of empty nesting highlight unresolved conflicts between the couple which have, until now, been sublimated in care, concern and directing time and resources to the needs of the children. I personally think healthy marriages weather this period well, find renewed joy in being alone with each other, making plans for a future w/o kids and so forth.

Where trouble emerges at this crisis point that can sink a marriage is where the child has been the focus of conflict between the parents, has suceeded in driving a wedge between them, or has problems–developmental, emotional, physical etc.–which have been used as an excuse by one spouse to withdraw from the other. in other cases, I think the “problem child” and the issues surrounding his “problem” (whether real or imaginary) have set the stage upon which the spouses have acted out all their real conflicts, most of which have nothing to do with the child at all.

I think the way children are used as weapons by couples who do go on to divorce in this scenario is a key to how children were used as an excuse during the marriage to avoid identifying and addressing the real issues of conflict between the couple.

If the issue is money, who makes it, who spends it, who accounts for it, who controls it, that issue may play out in arguments over spending for the real or perceived needs of the children, especially of the “problem child”
“well, if you hadn’t wasted all that money dragging her to therapists and quack doctors who do no good, we would not be in this financial trouble now” type of argument.

the “problem child” can actually be the good kid or golden child, such as the gifted athlete, beauty pageant contestant, or academic allstar on whom time, attention and resources have been lavished, sometimes at the expense of other legitimate needs of the family, but what a convenient excuse to pile on all couple problems on this wagon.

bottom line if spouses do not develop an intimate, honest, open relationship of sharing, communication and mutual decision making, establish framework for leadership and delegation of duties before children come, or early in the child-raising years, but bury those conflicts or act them out in unhealthy ways through the children, those unresolved issues will jump up and bite you once the prospect of “the kids are growing up, growing independent, and no longer will be the focus of our interest 24/7” is too scary to face.

At this stage if my little tale of woe is accurate, the couple has the choice to go back in time, pursue intimacy and communication and resolve issues, or face either legal or de facto separation and divorce. One party leaves physically and/or emotionally, and the fallout begins.
There is some truth to what you post. One of the directors of family life ministries of the Chicago archdiocese once mentioned that if the marriage is too focused on the children and the spouses ignore each other, problems may result. Please note that this can happen even if the children are not “problem children”.
 
Retrouvaille is wonderful - our marriage was suffering and my husband had been “walling” himself off from me for a few years.

We went to Retrouvaille in mid-January. For us, the weekend worked a small miracle - but even if it doesn’t - there are the follow-up sessions where we begin to start to work on the real tools to start helping our marriages.

We are are just about to finish up our follow-up sessions - they have been helpful and we going to start our “core” meetings where we will meet once a month to have some continued support.

I believe Retrouvaille can work - but I pray that your marriage will survive.
 
thank you, i will continue to pray that my husbands heart is softned to the idea of reconcilliation and goes to the retrovuille weekend with me with his heart open.
I do believe god can work miracles.
I think we have been too focused on the children, and all the other issues that we just ignored the issues we had.
I will pray that things continue to get better with your marriage too.
thanks again
mommabear
 
Retrouvaille is wonderful - our marriage was suffering and my husband had been “walling” himself off from me for a few years.

We went to Retrouvaille in mid-January. For us, the weekend worked a small miracle - but even if it doesn’t - there are the follow-up sessions where we begin to start to work on the real tools to start helping our marriages.

We are are just about to finish up our follow-up sessions - they have been helpful and we going to start our “core” meetings where we will meet once a month to have some continued support.

I believe Retrouvaille can work - but I pray that your marriage will survive.
I know this is public, but could you give perhaps a little insight into what Retrouvaille did for you and your husband?

Generally, when blocking occurs – there are only a few reasons it is happening, style of interaction between spouses – repetitive bringing up of past hurts – Unresolvable issue that neither spouse is willing to budge on – or an explosive/dominating spouse wherein the other starts using passive resistance, because they can’t handle being yelled at anymore.

I am curious as to what was the “helpful” ingredient of the encounter for you – rather than the problem. It might help the poster discuss even the idea of counseling with the husband, which is likely to be difficult given the original posts tone.

At this point, I would surmise that either he is seriously preparing to leave for an undisclosed reason – or that the marriage is reaching the ultimatum stage. Having been the recipient of ultimatums, tantrums, and the like I don’t think people are aware of how Retrov. is different from the traditional wisdom of Solomon which is to propose cutting the baby in half, and seeing who flinches first BUT without the kingly powers to enforce the wisdom, often leaving the couple totally embittered with counseling.

Intimacy, communication, and several other buzzwords are defined in different ways in different people’s brains. And, once the heat gets going – everything said, no matter how innocent – becomes reinterpreted in the worst way.
 
a few months ago my husband told me that after 18 years of marriage and 2children that he does not want to “try” anymore, has “tried” and wants to find someone new. we are signed up for the retroviulle next month. Please pray that his heart becomes more open to Gods grace to help revive and save our marriage.
He too is catholic, we were married in the church and he attends mass almost every day during lent.
I am not ready to give up and have told him so.
I’m so sorry this is happening, mommabear.😦 I think it’s a poignant statement that he made–he wants to find ‘someone new.’ It’s not only that he wants to stop trying in his current marriage–but wants to ‘find someone else.’ Is he home most of the time? Do you sense that he is cheating? Has he been distant for a while? I ask, because if he has ‘found someone’ already (doesn’t mean he has cheated) and thinks the grass will be greener with another, then that is where the root of the problem is. I think once you get to the root, then there is incredible hope. I pray that he will be open to retrouvaille-but if he doesn’t want to go, I would come out and ask him some ‘tough’ questions. You might not want to even know the answer–but he needs to be honest with where this thought of ‘finding someone new’ came into his mind. My prayers are with you, him, and your family…With God, all things are possible.
 
10 Great Dates is a book. by Arp and Arp. They do marriage enhancement seminars. The local parish had the deacon and his wife run this last year and we signed up for a once a month “date night” with many other couples. I don’t think it’s better than Retrouvaille since 10GD is a year long “voluntary” participation thing… I think you’d get more focus with a directed, concentrated program.

Certainly, focus on children or any of the “other priorities”, above the spouse is a problem for a marriage! Agreeing to priorities is essential.

For us, I had to have a change in perspective to something I said 15 yrs ago. But I didn’t recall the conversation. I had no idea that something I said way back then was so hurtful. Of course, I’m expected to just forget all the nasty things said to me over the years. If Stuff remains unresolved, it rots… Do whatever you need to inorder to rid yourself of this! This may include apologizing without a clue as to what you’ve done wrong. And you may need to forgive, without request, anything your spouse did wrong under the current conditions. In other words. You may be in a “where do we go from here” situation. One can’t take back the past, but one can get over it. This always requires lots of love and effort.
 
Retrouvaille is wonderful - our marriage was suffering and my husband had been “walling” himself off from me for a few years.

We went to Retrouvaille in mid-January. For us, the weekend worked a small miracle - but even if it doesn’t - there are the follow-up sessions where we begin to start to work on the real tools to start helping our marriages.

We are are just about to finish up our follow-up sessions - they have been helpful and we going to start our “core” meetings where we will meet once a month to have some continued support.

I believe Retrouvaille can work - but I pray that your marriage will survive.
just wondering, what do you mean by" walling"? isolating?
that is what my husband has done for afew years too.
 
a month ago I did, after being repeatedly told that I did this or that wrong 10-15-20 years ago. I apologized for these things, many which i don’t even remember. I also sought out reconcilliation and confessed any wrong on my part. since then I have asked god to show me what I need to do . how I need to change.
thanks.
 
a few months ago my husband told me that after 18 years of marriage and 2children that he does not want to “try” anymore, has “tried” and wants to find someone new. we are signed up for the retroviulle next month. Please pray that his heart becomes more open to Gods grace to help revive and save our marriage.
He too is catholic, we were married in the church and he attends mass almost every day during lent.
I am not ready to give up and have told him so.
So…how long do you suppose he’s had the girfriend? Perhaps you should ask him if he thinks he can afford to support both of you~it might just be the bucket of cold water he so desperately needs.
 
a month ago I did, after being repeatedly told that I did this or that wrong 10-15-20 years ago. I apologized for these things, many which i don’t even remember. I also sought out reconcilliation and confessed any wrong on my part. since then I have asked god to show me what I need to do . how I need to change.
thanks.
MommaBear,

It sounds like your husband held on to some deep resentment, blames you for the problems in your marriage and expects you to change in order to “fix” it. Has your husband also appologized? Is he putting in effort to deepen your relationship with each other? If not, that’s a big red flag.
 
a month ago I did, after being repeatedly told that I did this or that wrong 10-15-20 years ago. I apologized for these things, many which i don’t even remember. I also sought out reconcilliation and confessed any wrong on my part. since then I have asked god to show me what I need to do . how I need to change.
thanks.
Oh, good. I hope there was something similar on the other side. It may take a while for the resentment to wear off. One can’t have deep seated resentment and not be bothered by it for a while longer even if it appears to “be resloved”. At least I can’t. Pray. I’ll pray too.
 
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