Marriage in heaven

[kimg901]

Both are Gods will. He wanted us to procreate and then He wanted some to spread the Word without a soulmate. I dont see what difference it makes whether some are married and some are not. Is one better than the other? Yes and no. No wife, no yelling at you about mowing the lawn . But having a wife is just as rewarding especially when you are both present for the birth of your children. Praise be to God.

 

[agapewolf]

I’ve read all of TOB.

Then read the sections I referenced again. While most of what you say is true, you are phrasing certain things that are showing you are not quite getting what is actually said in TOB about the superior vocation.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I think you’re confused. Marriage is the primordial sacrament. We’re ALL called to marriage…celebacy is “exceptional” because it is not the norm. Celebecy would loose it’s purpose without the vocation of marriage. I think you’re back tracking. We’re all called to marriage…there’s just different ways to go about it. Marriage is what it is all about and it is ALL of our destiny including the celebates.

That is theologically wrong.

While marriage needs the concept of celibacy existing to be meaningful, celibacy does not need marriage to be meaningful.
I Corinthians Chp. VII:

7 For I would that all men were even as myself: but every one hath his proper gift from God; one after this manner, and another after that.
8 But I say to the unmarried, and to the widows: It is good for them if they so continue, even as I.
9 But if they do not contain themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to be burnt.
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25 Now concerning virgins, I have no commandment of the Lord; but I give counsel, as having obtained mercy of the Lord, to be faithful.
26 I think therefore that this is good for the present necessity, that it is good for a man so to be.
27 Art thou bound to a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
28 But if thou take a wife, thou hast not sinned. And if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned: nevertheless, such shall have tribulation of the flesh. But I spare you.
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32 But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God.
33 But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided.
34 And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

 

[ffg]

I feel bad for people reading this one.

First the subject has been thrown to the side, hopefully it’s been made clear ‘until death’. No you will not be sad in heaven if you learn your husband found another wife after you die.

With regard to the side subject, both are important, however, there is a chicken before the egg aspect.

God made Adam and Eve to start the world, not a priest. The priest came later to setup His Church.

There isn’t a ’ more important than the other’, but there is an order necessary, and it is known which came first.

 

[MichaelHowling]

Dakota

It is not theologically wrong.

The celebate is participating in a marriage!! The marriage of the lamb! It, like a marriage , is a total gift of self and so much so…that like a marriage, it can concieve life!

So too are a married couple! And in a CHRISTIAN marriage…we do not just love our spouses for their own sake…but for Christ! That’s how marriages can survive in this broken world. No matter what my wife does to me, I am able to love and serve her in Christ.

It’s all about marriage!

The first story (the story that contains all stories of the bible…the proto-evangelium) …is all about marriage! There’s a reason! It’s our call! Everyones call! One of the most powerful imagerys between us and God is that of a husband for His bride!

 

[agapewolf]

Dakota

It is not theologically wrong.

The celebate is participating in a marriage!! The marriage of the lamb! It, like a marriage , is a total gift of self and so much so…that like a marriage, it can concieve life!

So too are a married couple! And in a CHRISTIAN marriage…we do not just love our spouses for their own sake…but for Christ! That’s how marriages can survive in this broken world. No matter what my wife does to me, I am able to love and serve her in Christ.

It’s all about marriage!

The first story (the story that contains all stories of the bible…the proto-evangelium) …is all about marriage! There’s a reason! It’s our call! Everyones call! One of the most powerful imagerys between us and God is that of a husband for His bride!

You keep repeating yourself, but you’re not really arguing here— no one is arguing this, except to say that celibate “marriage” (if you need that term to be used so you’ll stop arguing) is the superior vocation to EARTHLY marriage. JPII says this explicitly in TOB, the references I quoted.

 

[MichaelHowling]

No, this was all about your post 18

where you said celebecy means something outside of the imagry of marriage.

And you’re wrong.

Marriage is what it’s all about.

 

[agapewolf]

No, this was all about your post 18

where you said celebecy means something outside of the imagry of marriage.

And you’re wrong.

Marriage is what it’s all about.

I did NOT say that. I wasn’t speaking about imagery.YOU are the one backtracking here.

You said celibacy means nothing “Without US who are married”. That’s saying something completely different.

 

[PJM]

=Dakota Roberts;10337460]I never said marriage was bad, merely that it is objectively inferior to celibacy.

Yes; and I respectfully disagree. Here’s why.

God chooses our vocation. Many are called to marriage; others to celebacy.

Having been married for working 46 years; I can attest IMO; one is no easier than than other.

It’s understanding what God’s PLAN for us is; accepting it and embracing it. Very MUCG grace is needed to live both in accord to Divine will.

And yes I’m aware of what Paul say’s.

God Bless you,

 

[agapewolf]

Yes; and I respectfully disagree. Here’s why.

God chooses our vocation. Many are called to marriage; others to celebacy.

Having been married for working 46 years; I can attest IMO; one is no easier than than other.

It’s understanding what God’s PLAN for us is; accepting it and embracing it. Very MUCG grace is needed to live both in accord to Divine will.

And yes I’m aware of what Paul say’s.

God Bless you,

Then you disagree with JPII and church teaching.

This is not about one being easier than the other. This is about the theology of it. Please read the referenced parts of TOB that I noted above.

 

[RebeccaJ]

I’ve read all of TOB.

What is “TOB”?

 

[agapewolf]

What is “TOB”?

Theology of the Body

 

[Miriam1947]

Is TOB an infallible teaching of the Church?

 

[MichaelHowling]

No…it’s an exigesis into a very deep thought by a very intelligent and holy man.

An the did not say what you are saying he said.

 

[agapewolf]

No…it’s an exigesis into a very deep thought by a very intelligent and holy man.

An the did not say what you are saying he said.

Actually its an explanation of church teaching, so as much as all church teaching united in the magisterium of the church is infallible, so is this. It was delivered as official wednesday audiences, and matches his encyclicals and other documents.

and he did say it. It’s in the referenced part that I mentioned earlier.

It’s even in the HEADING TITLE in TOB 77

“Superiority of Continence”

 

[Sarcelle]

Yeah, heaven is only for married people.

I remotely remember seeing a travel documentary on Singapore. There is a tourist attraction, sort of like a theme park, which has as part of its display, the Chinese version of hell. According to Chinese lore, single people go to hell.