Marriage in Heaven

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Could anybody of you, defenders of the theory that marriage does not exist in heaven, comment on this fragment of Catechism of the Catholic Church? :

I can see the words “perpetual” and “exclusive” here.

Perhaps we should ask remarring people of what they are doing. This is their problem. I am not one of them.

I do not know if it is possible to remarry. And if so, then yes, I would think this is kind of poligamy - at least in the case your spouse goes to Heaven. Though that spouse is ALIVE, even more fully than he/she was here on earth. How could you close your eyes and say “no no no, she is… somewhere, I do not care” and remarry?

If she is in heaven then it means she is right next to you, I think. What happens to your relationship then if you remarry?
The terms “perpetual” and “exclusive”, in light of Jesus’ own words quoted in previous posts, refer to earthly matrimony. (Remember “'til death do us part”?)

Matrimony is a sacrament instituted for the creation of children and for the mutual benefit of living persons, in order for couples to help each other attain heaven, where the earthly institution of marriage is no longer needed, as our happiness there requires only God. As previous posters have said, certainly we will see our loved ones there, including those who were our spouses here on earth but we will be far, far past needing the same type of matrimonial relationship and will be with each other, in perfect happiness in the company of God.
 
Hi

I am an Ahmadi Muslim a non-Catholic.

We find a mention of this in the Holy Quran : Chapter 36: YaSin, which I give for interest of the members here:

[36:55] And on that day no soul will be wronged in aught; nor will you be requited but for what you used to do.
[36:56] Verily, the inmates of heaven will, on that day, be happy in their occupation.
[36:57] *They and their wives **will be in pleasant shades, reclining on raised couches.
[36:58] They will have fruits therein, and they will have whatever they call for.
[36:59] They will be greeted with Peace - a word of greeting from the Merciful Lord.

*The word “zowj” is used in Arabic both for husbands and wives, so there is some sort of partnership continuing in the next world if both husbands and wives are servants of GodAllahYHWH.

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The Koran is not the recognized scripture of Christians.
 
The terms “perpetual” and “exclusive”, in light of Jesus’ own words quoted in previous posts, refer to earthly matrimony. (Remember “'til death do us part”?)
(1) We are talking about Catechism of the Catholic Church here. Life and death matters, eternity etc. IS what this book IS ABOUT. When writing a book about life, death and eternity - would you be careful about using words like “perpetual” or “exclusive”, or would you go easy about mixing their meanings?

Do you think that CCC authors overlooked this?

(2) You seem to be drawing an argument directly from the Bible. But please note that in Catholicism this is not that simple:
2 Peter 1:20-21 :: Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
CCC 85 :: “The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the Church alone. Its authority in this matter is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ.” This means that the task of interpretation has been entrusted to the bishops in communion with the successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome.
I am not willing to discourage you from reading the Bible and trying to understand it. I think this is a good thing.

But please note that this is not that what you see is what the true meaning is. It is not that automatic. Not in the Catholic Church at least.

This is a digression.

(3) Please note that your interpretation of Jesus words is NOT a literal one. For Jesus said:
NIV, Mt 22:30 :: At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
and NOT, for instance:
Marriages started on earth will be discontinued in heaven.
In this topic we are discussing this second issue, not the first one!

(4) “'til death do us part” — since Jesus Christ is risen the death can do no harm to those who believe in Him; true or false? How could it separate any 2 believers?

Anyway, read the following lines right after Mt 22:30:
NIV, Mt 22:31-32 :: But about the resurrection of the dead - have you not read what God said to you, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.
He is not the God of the dead but of the living. Death NEVER “sets apart”!
Matrimony is a sacrament instituted for the creation of children and for the mutual benefit of living persons, in order for couples to help each other attain heaven,
I agree.
where the earthly institution of marriage is no longer needed, as our happiness there requires only God. As previous posters have said, certainly we will see our loved ones there, including those who were our spouses here on earth but we will be far, far past needing the same type of matrimonial relationship and will be with each other, in perfect happiness in the company of God.
(5) First, please note that even the current world was not “needed”. God created it, though, because He WANTED.

Thus, life is not about “what is needed”.

(6) Second — I think your vision is a little bit too protestant. In Catholic Church doctrine the Church is not a loose group of people that just happened to live one next to each other. The Church is one body — read 1 Corinthians 12.

I think this stays in close correlation with The Greatest Commandment:
Mk 12:29-31 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
The “neighbor” is yours.
 
In case anyone is still reading, a positive (though possibly speculative) case can be made that male-female relationships similar to marital bonds can continue between the redeemed into the next life. This may then also imply a romantic, physical or even sexual aspect in such a relationship.

Below are some websites that make this positive case (across Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Protestant strands of Christianity). Each website does deal with the marriage pericope of Mt 22 to a lesser or greater degree -
  1. rezfamilies.googlepages.com
  2. ewtn.org/library/Marriage/zmarrheavn.htm
  3. members.aol.com/johnodhner/Marriageinheaven.html
  4. Meyendorff’s book
    Whether you find these arguments convincing is ultimately up to you.
PS. please note according to historic Christian doctrine, the next life involves the resurrection, which is physical in nature, and is not to be identified with “heaven” (where the redeemed go after death to await future physical resurrection of their bodies) - please see this link for more explanation -
time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1710844,00.html
 
I don’t know if this is correct (and I am not Br. Rich), but I will offer a possible response. You could tell your father that will certainly be reunited with his wife (or more correctly his former wife) in heaven. Even though they will not be reunited in the bond of matrimony, they will be even more perfectly united to each other through God and the beatific vision they share. Their union will be even greater, even more spiritually rich, and even more complete than two humans could ever have during their earthly life.

Prayers for your father and for your mother,

SC
Lovely response!
 
yo yo yo
My Name is Jesus
I know the Truth
You better listen up
If you want da scoop
You ask if there’s marriage
In Heaven so high
I say: “what, are you disparaged
Thinking things so sly?”
There’s not a chance, I say
For you to love this way
You’ve got to keep it together
Without a husband or whatever
So just be happy and know
That God digs happiness
And it’s not a show
If no wife means bliss
yo yo
 
There is no marriage in heaven. We live as the angels.
So will there be any special relationship between the two people in Heaven, do you think? This is something that has bothered for me a long time as I am engaged and the thought of our love and connection disappearing in a sense after death makes me very gloomy. What’s the point of marriage then? If we are united into one, then why doesn’t it stay that way? I mean, sure we’ll be like the angels, but I would hope to have some more special connection with her than with another person in Heaven that I never even met while on earth. I guess what I’m wondering is how much relationships on earth impact the afterlife but nobody has the clear answer to that.
 
Does the same apply parent/child relationships? You could have the same complications if a child’s parents die, and then is adopted by other parents. Who would be their parents be in heaven?

As much as I normally favor speaking accurately, I don’t think we need to go around referring to widows’ dead spouses as “former.” My grandparents were married 64 years before my grandfather died 4 years ago. My grandmother still wears her wedding band and signs every birthday card to me, “Love, Grandpa and Grand-mom.” She had her named engraved on the gravestone when she had his done because she just didn’t want to think about him laying in the ground alone. I could just imagine getting kicked out of her house for the sake of theological accuracy. I would not refer to him as her former husband any more than I would refer to him as my former Grandpa.
 
The Saducees who did not believe in the resurrection asked Jesus about the case of a woman whose husband died, after which she remarried. And who in fact remarried seven times when her husbands died one after the other. Who is her husband in heaven they asked then? Jesus told these men that in the resurrection people “neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven”(Mt 22:23-30). Offhand, I would like to have my wife as my wife in heaven, but I presume that then I will see the good and sense of this perfectly.
I have a feeling that we will see spouses and family in heaven, but marriage itself doesn’t exist. We won’t have a need for it. If we are existing in heaven as angels, the conjugal act doesn’t exist, so we are all essentially friends (or brothers and sisters).
 
I often think that the ecstasy of the moment in the marital act will be only a mere bleep of what the existence in the presence of God will be like.
 
I have a feeling that we will see spouses and family in heaven, but marriage itself doesn’t exist. We won’t have a need for it. If we are existing in heaven as angels, the conjugal act doesn’t exist, so we are all essentially friends (or brothers and sisters).
Human being will NOT be angels. Humans have bodies, angels do not.
 
There’s a few major purposes for marriage, procreation, uniting the couple and helping each other get to Heaven.

You can’t have kids in Heaven. The couple will be united fully with God whilst in Heaven and they’re already in Heaven so they don’t need help getting there now.

There’s no reason for marriage in Heaven.
 
wedding vows are taken “till death due us part” there is no marrage in heaven in the sacramental sense of a joining of a man and a woman(two humans), rather in a spiritual sense we are all married to God. This is why we have both married people and celibacy for the kingdom people, married people show us the loving relationship that awaits us while celibates point to who that relationship is with.
I think the closest thing on earth that is a foreshadowing of the mystical marriage in heaven are consecrated virgins who are “mystically espoused to Christ.” Though, the saints who have reached the 9th level of prayer were the closest to what awaits us in heaven. I don’t think married couples show us the loving relationship that awaits us in heaven, as there are no conjugal relations in heaven and our love is perfectly fixated on God alone.
 
Human being will NOT be angels. Humans have bodies, angels do not.
True, but we also won’t have our bodies back until the end of the world. Unless we die at the end of the world, we will be free spirits after we die until we are reunited with our bodies. For those in Heaven, they will be wonderful. For those condemned to hell, they will be terrible and only add to their suffering.
 
I think the closest thing on earth that is a foreshadowing of the mystical marriage in heaven are consecrated virgins who are “mystically espoused to Christ.” Though, the saints who have reached the 9th level of prayer were the closest to what awaits us in heaven. I don’t think married couples show us the loving relationship that awaits us in heaven, as there are no conjugal relations in heaven and our love is perfectly fixated on God alone.
You should read Theology of the Body. JPII states that of all the analogies to help us understand the love of God for people, the marriage analogy is the least inadequate (read best of all of them).

Also, EPH 5
 
You should read Theology of the Body. JPII states that of all the analogies to help us understand the love of God for people, the marriage analogy is the least inadequate (read best of all of them).

Also, EPH 5
I prefer reading St. Thomas Aquinas.
 
I prefer reading St. Thomas Aquinas.
Not quite sure what you are trying to say. I read aquinas too. JPII was a thomist.

None of this means you can’t also read TOB.

The main point is, we are NOT angels in heaven, and marriage is the best analogy we have for understanding God’s love for us.
 
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