Marriage initiative’s fate may depend on a single word

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Marriage initiative’s fate may depend on a single word

In a press release issued last week, the National Center for Lesbian Rights, Lambda Legal, the American Civil Liberties Union and Equality California claimed that a November ballot initiative that would define marriage as a union between a man and a woman is unconstitutional. The four groups filed a petition with the state Supreme Court on June 20, asking it to remove the initiative from the ballot because, “the rules for revising the California Constitution were not properly followed.”

[Volokh062808.jpg]]The argument of the four groups against the initiative turns on the distinction in constitutional law between an amendment and a revision. The California Constitution allows voters to amend the Constitution by initiative, but not to revise it. A revision of the Constitution requires a two-thirds majority in both houses of the state legislature to submit to the voters either a proposal to call a constitutional convention or to place the proposed revision before the voters directly. In the latter case, the voters need only approve the revision by a majority vote for it to become law.

What is the difference between a constitutional amendment and revision? The state constitution does not say. But, in a June 23 entry on his blog Volokh.com, UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh referred to the 1990 case, Raven v. Deukmejian, in which the state Supreme Court struck down a ballot initiative, not only, said the court, because it “unduly restricts judicial power, but it does so in a way which severely limits the independent force and effect of the California Constitution…”

The initiative, said the court, would revise rather than amend the Constitution, not by restricting a specific right of the judiciary, but because it “involved a broad attack on state court authority to exercise independent judgment in construing a wide spectrum of important rights under the state Constitution.”

The pro-homosexual marriage groups that filed the lawsuit against the November marriage initiative have argued that it is revision because it would undermine the “basic principle of equal protection of the laws.” But Volokh points to two other state courts that have faced identical challenges to proposed marriage amendments (Bess v. Ulmer, Alaska Supreme Court, 1999; and Martinez v. Kulongoski, Oregon Court of Appeals, 2008.) These courts concluded that the proposals were amendments, not revisions. The decision in Bess, which relied, said Volokh, on California precedents, concluded, “few sections of the Constitution are directly affected, and nothing in the proposal will ‘necessarily or inevitably alter the basic governmental framework’ of the Constitution.”

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Does anybody here honestly believe that gay marriage will never happen in the US?
 
I can’t believe it will not happen. Poll after poll suggests that young people simply view this as a non - issue. It takes a few generations before new ideas filter down. I suspect more and more states will move in that direction.
 
Marriage is between a man and a woman.

As God, the Creator says through Sacred Scripture and His Catholic Church, “The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life, is by its nature ordered toward the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring:…” (CCC 1601)

“The intimate community of life and love which constitutes the married state has been established by the Creator ans endowed by him with it’s own proper laws…God himself is the author of marriage” (CCC 1603)

“By its very nature the institution of marriage and married love is ordered to the procreation and education of the offspring and it is in them that it finds its crowning glory” (CCC 1652)

If we listened to public opinion polls or what the "young people " think this would truly be a selfish and desolate world. Thank God the Truth is absolute and will be for all eternity!

State governments can call a relationship between 2 men or 2 women marriage, but it is not marriage. I can call the loving relationship I have with my dog a “marriage” but it is not now and never will be a marriage.

Our own government, backed by the Supreme Court, declared that slavery and the murder of innocent children by their own mothers through abortion were both “legal”, yet they are both horrible injustices.

What 2 men or 2 women do with each other is between them and God.

Unfortunately, by rewriting the truth to satisfy our own selfish desires, we create a horrible example for our young people to follow. We are saying that there are no absolutes, therefore whatever you can justify in your own mind becomes the truth, and therefore is OK!.

Throughout history, when ever man, not God, decides what the truth is, we see horrible results. The erosion of God’s truth in the mind of the common man has always resulted in tragic and irreversible evil, (ie. Nazi Germany’s holocaust, the communist regimes bloodbaths in the Soviet Union and China, just to name a few, have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of millions of innocent people).

“A man of conscience is one who never acquires tolerance, well-being, success, public standing or approval on the part of prevailing opinion, at the expense of Truth!” PAPA BENEDICTUS XVI
 
Correct, the atrocities the left is perpetrating on todays society is the main contributing factor to the likelihood that it will implode in the not to distant future. 😦

Saying that, the left does not want the people to vote on the issue since they know it will go against them. That means the people are too stupid or ignorant in their eyes to vote on the issue. :mad:
 
I would certainly expect them to. It may be a wrong idea, but that was not the question. Wrong or not, I suspect it will within a generation or two be legal everywhere.
If the trend continues as it has, I agree with you. Colorado has a constitutional ban on same sex marriages. There were some who tried to back door it in Colorado and it was defeated. However, I think the country will collapse before the acceptance of same sex marriage happens. No government has lasted forever. If you look at why they collapsed, it was falling morals.
 
If the trend continues as it has, I agree with you. Colorado has a constitutional ban on same sex marriages. There were some who tried to back door it in Colorado and it was defeated. However, I think the country will collapse before the acceptance of same sex marriage happens. No government has lasted forever. If you look at why they collapsed, it was falling morals.
And unfortunatley it will all come to a hault because we did nothing. We are constantly forced to play by the lefts rules, and we get beat every time. If we collapse, then we are equally to blame for lazy complaceny. Sad.
 
Ya know…I’m not the biggest fan of His Eminence, Cardinal Archbishop Mahony, but it is slanderous and an attack on a member of the clergy to imply that he would be for gay “marriage” in any way whatsoever.
Not to worry, he isn’t. It may be the case that to support homosexual marriage, homosexual adoption, etc etc etc may very well be the 21st Century version of the Mark Of The Beast.

Catholics will NOT take the mark of the beast, the support of homosexual marriage. Be prepared for suffering.😦
 
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