Marriage Issue - Lost and Confused

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Perhaps whatever they prescribed meds for will be a covered condition for counseling? Even if it isn’t it’s a good thing he is willing to address the panic and anxiety.

Still praying 🙂
The counselor said that he could talk about anxiety and bill the insurance…but we couldn’t talk about the relationship.
 
By the way, not to sound stereotypically Freudian, but what is his relationship with his mother like?
Now that I think about it, his mom did have extreme PMS when he was growing up (probably PMDD). I did wonder if that had anything to do with this. He won’t talk much about what she used to be like when she had PMS but he said she would “go crazy.” When we first started dating she hadn’t gone through menopause yet and I recall his stories about her. He denies all of this now.

At the very least, this had to affect the IL’s marriage. FIL often says “I’m glad you don’t get PMS anymore.” He’s not typically the politically correct type and talks about things like this openly.
 
bernadettefaith said:

“Now that I think about it, his mom did have extreme PMS when he was growing up (probably PMDD). I did wonder if that had anything to do with this. He won’t talk much about what she used to be like when she had PMS but he said she would “go crazy.” When we first started dating she hadn’t gone through menopause yet and I recall his stories about her. He denies all of this now.”

That’s very interesting. Don’t forget to share this with your new counselor.
 
One of the things you’re going to want to work out in counseling is getting permission to express a normal, healthy range of emotions around your husband without him getting triggered by it. Obviously, frying pan throwing is not OK, but it wouldn’t be OK for him to expect you to have the emotional range of a Stepford Wife.
 
If you all could keep us in your prayers this week, I’d appreciate it. We will be celebrating our 7th anniversary tomorrow. We will still get a babysitter and go out to eat but it’s still quite depressing given the state of our marriage :(.
 
Why do you say that Bernadette? Does he still keep on telling you that he is unhappy int he marriage and he desires to be with someone else? I thought he is already doing better with the new therapists.

Tomorrow is Dec. 16, I am going to start my novena for Christmas and I will include you in my prayers. I hope you and your husband have a wonder anniversary. God bless you.
 
He likes the new therapist but we’ve only seen him once and that was more of a “meet and greet” to explain our situation. We go back on Jan 2nd due to the holidays and our busy schedules. He’s still very unhappy. I don’t know for sure that he’s still wishing to be with someone else - or to be alone. All I know is that he doesn’t want much to do with me - especially not physically. He doesn’t really discuss the situation often and I do not ask him.

Thank you for the prayers.
 
He likes the new therapist but we’ve only seen him once and that was more of a “meet and greet” to explain our situation. We go back on Jan 2nd due to the holidays and our busy schedules. He’s still very unhappy. I don’t know for sure that he’s still wishing to be with someone else - or to be alone. All I know is that he doesn’t want much to do with me - especially not physically. He doesn’t really discuss the situation often and I do not ask him.

Thank you for the prayers.
Maybe you should let him know more often how hurt you are because of his lack of interest in you. Not fight about it, but talk. Some guys think that if you tell them XYZ hurts you and then you don’t mention it for a while they think you must be ok now. Might do some good for him to understand that the state of your marriage hurts you on a continuing basis. If talking about it would be a problem maybe write him a letter. That way you can clearly express how you feel and it doesn’t have to be a depressing conversation.
 
Maybe you should let him know more often how hurt you are because of his lack of interest in you. Not fight about it, but talk. Some guys think that if you tell them XYZ hurts you and then you don’t mention it for a while they think you must be ok now. Might do some good for him to understand that the state of your marriage hurts you on a continuing basis. If talking about it would be a problem maybe write him a letter. That way you can clearly express how you feel and it doesn’t have to be a depressing conversation.
I do sometimes talk about it but I limit these kinds of talks to once or twice a month at most. He gets that I’m hurting but he more or less says that there’s nothing he can do about it. He’s too anxious to be intimate and being around me just makes him angry. So the conversation always goes nowhere. He insists that he’s not trying to hurt me and he feels bad for hurting me.
 
I do sometimes talk about it but I limit these kinds of talks to once or twice a month at most. He gets that I’m hurting but he more or less says that there’s nothing he can do about it. He’s too anxious to be intimate and being around me just makes him angry. So the conversation always goes nowhere. He insists that he’s not trying to hurt me and he feels bad for hurting me.
BF…be prepared for the worst b/c I kinda get the feeling sometimes that this guy already has one foot out the door and he’s just biding his time. I hate to say it, but this guy seems to really want out of the marriage.

If he does stay, I think in his mind, he’ll say it’s for the kids. A lot of couples stay together for the kids and staying together often leads to happier years again. If couples can just get through the tough times, happier times are ahead.
 
BF…be prepared for the worst b/c I kinda get the feeling sometimes that this guy already has one foot out the door and he’s just biding his time. I hate to say it, but this guy seems to really want out of the marriage.

If he does stay, I think in his mind, he’ll say it’s for the kids. A lot of couples stay together for the kids and staying together often leads to happier years again. If couples can just get through the tough times, happier times are ahead.
I’ve read a lot about sticking through the tough times to get to happier times. No idea if that will happen for us but I suppose there’s hope. Or maybe having a better counselor will help. The last one was a waste of time. Even Dh thought so.
 
Recently he has expressed to me that he will stick it out for a while to see if things really do improve with time. He will stick around for the next few years while I work on my Master’s degree. He doesn’t think things will be better by then but a lot can change over time. Worst case scenario I have a better chance at finding a job that pays well - plus if I’m not with him I’m able to travel somewhere where I can find a job without being tied down to one geographic location.

I really don’t think divorce is better for the children unless there’s a lot of conflict or fighting going on so I’m not really opposed to waiting a year or two to see if things improve. Also, I would be extremely heartbroken if we were forced to share physical custody 50/50. That seems to be the way it’s usually handled in our region and I don’t think it’s best for the children. I know that many disagree with me, but I think that a child should have one primary home rather than switching back and forth every few days. I don’t believe he could have the kids that frequently with his work schedule but he could remarry and have someone available to watch the kids while he works 😦 He says that he does not want this kind of arrangement but I fear that he could change his mind. But we aren’t there yet so I won’t worry too much - yet.
 
Recently he has expressed to me that he will stick it out for a while to see if things really do improve with time. He will stick around for the next few years while I work on my Master’s degree. He doesn’t think things will be better by then but a lot can change over time. Worst case scenario I have a better chance at finding a job that pays well - plus if I’m not with him I’m able to travel somewhere where I can find a job without being tied down to one geographic location.

I really don’t think divorce is better for the children unless there’s a lot of conflict or fighting going on so I’m not really opposed to waiting a year or two to see if things improve. Also, I would be extremely heartbroken if we were forced to share physical custody 50/50. That seems to be the way it’s usually handled in our region and I don’t think it’s best for the children. I know that many disagree with me, but I think that a child should have one primary home rather than switching back and forth every few days. I don’t believe he could have the kids that frequently with his work schedule but he could remarry and have someone available to watch the kids while he works 😦 He says that he does not want this kind of arrangement but I fear that he could change his mind. But we aren’t there yet so I won’t worry too much - yet.
A great deal can change from now until you are finished your Master’s degree. He could be a completely changed man by then.
 
Just thought I’d update:

Nothing really new in regard to the marriage itself. However, he did decide to withdraw his application for the new job. He was at the end of the hiring process and realized that the grass wouldn’t necessarily be greener at the new job. Sure, the pay was better but when he added up the lack of benefits and restrictions on overtime (among many other issues) he realized that he has it pretty good at his current job. If only he would see our relationship this way…
 
bernadettefaith said:

“Nothing really new in regard to the marriage itself. However, he did decide to withdraw his application for the new job. He was at the end of the hiring process and realized that the grass wouldn’t necessarily be greener at the new job. Sure, the pay was better but when he added up the lack of benefits and restrictions on overtime (among many other issues) he realized that he has it pretty good at his current job. If only he would see our relationship this way…”

It might have been good for him to try something new, but on the bright side, his decision-making process sounds very solid. Also, you guys got through Christmas, which is harder than it sounds.

Best wishes!
 
Just thought I’d update:

Nothing really new in regard to the marriage itself. However, he did decide to withdraw his application for the new job. He was at the end of the hiring process and realized that the grass wouldn’t necessarily be greener at the new job. Sure, the pay was better but when he added up the lack of benefits and restrictions on overtime (among many other issues) he realized that he has it pretty good at his current job. If only he would see our relationship this way…
It’s great that he realized he might have been making a huge mistake and stopped it before it happened. Maybe he does, deep down, see the relationship the same way and that’s why he says he will stay for at least a few more years.
 
Yeah possibly. He used to complain about his job often but since he became unhappy in the relationship the job wasn’t such a big issue anymore. I think that the main reason he wanted the new job was the difference in pay but he didn’t realize that the higher pay did not include the same benefits.

We did get through Christmas as well as our baby’s first birthday (both occasions involved seeing our families). I didn’t notice any major panic when his parents were around. Honestly, they don’t irritate me much at all anymore. He did panic when we went to dd’s school Christmas program because his parents were going to be there. Nothing ended up happening of course. I wonder if he realizes that we’d all still be at Christmas programs and other school events even if we divorced. He can’t really avoid having his parents around me forever.
 
bernadettefaith said:

“I wonder if he realizes that we’d all still be at Christmas programs and other school events even if we divorced. He can’t really avoid having his parents around me forever.”

Right–marriage may be temporary, but divorce is forever.

I have an aunt and uncle (parents of several now adult children) who got divorced about a decade and a half ago, and we STILL have huge drama whenever there’s a funeral, wedding, graduation, or other mandatory-attendance family event.
 
So just an update here:
We went to see our new counselor for the second time tonight. We’d cancelled previously due to snow and had to wait a few weeks to reschedule. I take it as a good sign that he has many clients. Anyway, he explained his therapy plan to us. He uses rational emotive therapy which helps people to change irrational thoughts so that their feelings and behavior improves. I think it could help us. At least he has a therapy plan rather than a free for all complaint session.

Dh said that he’s starting to feel better about himself. I suppose that’s a step in the right direction. He also complimented me on parenting and he’s glad that I read so many parenting books and try new things.

He still is not interested in intimacy. He believes that it’s wrong to be intimate if he doesn’t feel in love. Ugh. I’m not going to dwell on the negative though.
 
bernadettefaith said:

“He uses rational emotive therapy which helps people to change irrational thoughts so that their feelings and behavior improves. I think it could help us. At least he has a therapy plan rather than a free for all complaint session.”

That sounds very good.

“Dh said that he’s starting to feel better about himself. I suppose that’s a step in the right direction. He also complimented me on parenting and he’s glad that I read so many parenting books and try new things.”

That’s great.

“He still is not interested in intimacy. He believes that it’s wrong to be intimate if he doesn’t feel in love. Ugh. I’m not going to dwell on the negative though.”

That’s not nice for you, but on his part, it is somewhat principled…
 
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