Marriage Not Recognized By Church

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rick43235 said:
Yes, I understand that the Catholic Church is not a Bible only church, and I am aware of the concept of Sacred Tradition (although maybe I don’t understand Sacred Tradition as well as I should.) In his post above, Aaron I. stated Since the concept of annulments does not seem to come from scripture, I’m assuming that it comes from Sacred Tradition - that is, it comes from the Catholic Church, making it a “Catholic rule.”

Now, maybe this is where my less-than-perfect understanding of Sacred Tradition comes into play. According to Catholic teaching, is Sacred Tradition considered to be on “equal footing” with Sacred Scripture? Where does Sacred Tradition come from?

Thanks for stepping in here.
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The Catholic Faith is built like a 3 legged stool consisting of Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Magesterium. Without one or more legs the stool would tip over and fall. Sacred Tradition started out as the oral teachings of the church( the apostles and their appointees- that is why it is usually called Apostolic Tradition) but later included the New Testament as the gospels and other were written.

See if these articles help-

catholic.com/library/Permanence_of_Matrimony.asp

catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0003fea3.asp

catholic.com/library/Apostolic_Tradition.asp
 
This thread is going off topic. Please stick to the OP’s topic and take any side discussion to new or existing threads. Thank you all.
 
Jesus never said in ANY translation that a person could remarry.

He allowed DIVORCE in cases of adultery.

Still confused check Douhay rheims.
 
chamomile02134 said:
IShould I remain in this marriage? I feel things in my life are not going well, and living in this state could be the reason.
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possible it is the reason, among others, but don’t look to make the Church’s marriage laws the reason for ending the relationship. See a priest today for advice pertinent to your own individual situation. Your first marriage can probably be dealt with simply due to lack of form (not according to Catholic marriage laws), his may be more involved, but no way to know without asking the priest and getting his advice. There are solutions for almost any situation, but bear in mind the priest will not assist in convalidating a marriage that is in trouble already. You might consider also seeing about professional counselling from a good Christian therapist for any other underlying marriage issues that concern you.
 
Unchaste? Could it be that in cases of lacking chastity, which is infidelity, it is assumed that the spouse was never truly open to being married in the first place? The Church does not declare a marriage null, but rather gives a declaration of nullity, which is an entirely different thing. After careful scrutiny through a legal church tribunal with an indepth investigation it make become apparent that either one or both persons the entered into the marriage bond were never really open to marriage in the first place. People keep secrets and many times, especially in today’s secularized world, people don’t really know what their getting into…men may enter the relationship with addictions to sex/porn. Women may be looking for the easy way out of their life or a rich guy. Only God truly knows the hearts and minds of men. The Church, because of the authority given to her by Jesus, has the authority to investigate and determine these things.

If a 55 year old man marries a 13 year old woman [which happens in some states] and the young woman turns 18, should be not be allowed to have her marriage investigated? Let’s say her parents consented for her. Let’s say she wanted to marry the man. After she matures and begins to feel repulsed by the man should that legal marriage be considered binding for ever? 150 years ago this was quite commone in our society. I’m very much against anyone divorcing. And now that I understand what an annulment really is I’ve lost my sense of feeling like I know better than those who do seek an investigation as to whether or not their marriage was truly a marriage in the first place. However, I do believe there are far too many people using the tribunals as a way of getting a “catholic divorce”, which is a heresy. Should they lie through the process they will ultimately pay the penalty for the sin of their lies.

As for the OP. You are not married in the eyes of the Church. Both of you are married only legally, which is called a civil marriage. Living in this state constitutes a mortal sin and thus cuts you off from God. Recognizing the mistake is a grace God has sent you to help you begin the process of straightening out your life. It appears that you feel your partner is not open to you, your religious beliefs, respectful enough to continue down the right path of discovery, etc. Unless you have small children in the home it would be proper to separate from him/her and continue to live a chaste life while seeking from the local bishop whether or not a declaration of nullity may be in order. You would be free to confess your sin immediately and receive holy communion then as you live chaste in a separate household. Only your pastor can advise you on what he would require from you. Find a good spiritual director.
 
chamomile02134 said:
I’ll keep this brief. I am a Catholic, married to a Baptist. We were married at the JP. He was married once before to another Baptist. I was married once before to a Catholic. I am willing to have previous marriage annuled so that current marriage will be recognized by Church. He refuses to do such. His reason is he is Baptist and the annulment process is a Catholic rule, not a Baptist rule. Should I remain in this marriage? I feel things in my life are not going well, and living in this state could be the reason.
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According to the Church, your first marriage would be still valid unless an annulment finds otherwise. Your second marriage to this man is not valid in the eyes of the Church. You need to talk to a priest about this matter. Find a parish near you and make an appointment to discuss all of this with a priest.
 
Seatuck said:
Or more likely he said he allowed for Divorce in cases of unchastity.

catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0007bt.asp
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Thanks Seatuck.

This is one of those things I’ve been trying to understand for many years. I’ve heard Jimmy Akin discuss this on CA Radio. I’ve heard is several times, but it was so confusing I just could not stop thinking like a Protestant. But now after reading through it at my own speed, going back to make sure I understood, it makes sense. I still have to work to wrap my brain around it but it does in fact make a lot of sense and really is a wonderful case for the need for understanding not only Sacred Tradition but also the Majisterium Authority. Society has been duped by these mis interpretations. I feel duped for ever having believed it this way now. This speaks loudly for the need to know the entire scriptures and not just one or two passages to justify what we believe.

You know how life it, busy. Though I’ve been meaning to look this up I finally made the plunge to crawl over this mountain and will continue to study it. My previous faith was very strict about divorce and it is considered sinful, leaving the person who remarries in a state of adultery. The one that did not commit adultery is allowed to remarry and remain in communion with the church. However, they like couples living in sin in the Catholic Church that continue to attend mass regularly, are not really supposed to receive communion or become leaders in the church. They considered the lost sinner who refuses to separate themselves from sin. If this continues they are typically chased off one way or the other. Very interesting. I left a congregation after discovering one of the elders was divorced and remarried, which is taboo and was one of many signals God kept sending me to show that even that faith was not the one true church Christ had founded because of the many factions and divisions as well as fallible beliefs practiced. It tore us away from them and ultimately led us to researching until we ended up in the Catholic Church, a total shock.👍
 
chamomile02134 said:
Thank you for your reply, and congratulations on 20 years of marriage! 👍 After reading my original post, I think I have mislead when I state that there is unhappiness in my marriage. It’s not unhappiness between me and my spouse. It’s just the usual financial, never seem to get ahead kind of stuff. I see people all around me doing better and often wonder if the reason things are not better for us is because of our non-recognized marriage.
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Wait a while. Under Obama, we’ll all be financially miserable in another year.
 
kage_ar said:
You can live as brother and sister.
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As for your previous marriage, I imagine you should have little trouble getting it annulled since your husband abandoned you and committed adultery and was thus not mentally prepared to make the vows. As for your current husband, I don’t believe there is any way you can get him an annulment without his consent (well, I suppose you could go to the ex-wife and get her to start the process, but I wouldn’t really recommend that for various reasons!). I am sympathetic to his position – annulment is Christian rather than exclusively Catholic, yes, but as a Baptist he doesn’t believe in the validity or necessity of the Catholic Church’s ruling on the issue. But if you wish to remain married and to be able to participate in receiving the eucharist, I don’t think you’ll have any choice but to convince him.
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I wonder if someone here could answer my question about a Catholic woman (my sister) who married a Jewish man at city hall. My Jewish brother-in-law was married at a young age to a Jewish woman in a Jewish ceremony. The marriage lasted seven years and they were divorced. No children from that marriage.
My sister says her husband was very immature at the time of his first marriage and got married because his friends were getting married.
My sister would like to get married in the Church and her husband has no problem with doing so. While I understand the Church accepts that a Jewish marriage is valid, is there any way my brother-in-law’s first marriage can be annulled by the Church so they can marry in the Church? My brother-in-law was never bar mitzvahed. Is that relevant?
 
irishcolleen45 said:
I wonder if someone here could answer my question about a Catholic woman (my sister) who married a Jewish man at city hall. My Jewish brother-in-law was married at a young age to a Jewish woman in a Jewish ceremony. The marriage lasted seven years and they were divorced. No children from that marriage.
My sister says her husband was very immature at the time of his first marriage and got married because his friends were getting married.
My sister would like to get married in the Church and her husband has no problem with doing so. While I understand the Church accepts that a Jewish marriage is valid, is there any way my brother-in-law’s first marriage can be annulled by the Church so they can marry in the Church? My brother-in-law was never bar mitzvahed. Is that relevant?
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You’re BIL needs to speak with a priest to start the annulment process. There will be paperwork to fill out and then it will go to the Tribunal. He should probably read up on the process first. A book like The Wedding that Was is a good start. He will need witnesses to help corroborate that deficiencies for a marriage were present at the time of the wedding.

amazon.com/Annulment-Wedding-Church-Declare-Marriage/dp/0809138441
 
Seatuck said:
You’re BIL needs to speak with a priest to start the annulment process. There will be paperwork to fill out and then it will go to the Tribunal. He should probably read up on the process first. A book like The Wedding that Was is a good start. He will need witnesses to help corroborate that deficiencies for a marriage were present at the time of the wedding.

amazon.com/Annulment-Wedding-Church-Declare-Marriage/dp/0809138441
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Thank you for your help. 👍 I have forwarded the link to my sister.
 
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