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ok i dont know how to go about this. but here goes nothing… im catholic… born and raised… and well my fiance’ isnt …and has been divorced once. the marrage was not reconsiloble at all so it was for the best… but my question is… he wants to convert to catholic and wants to be married in a catholic church… is that possible or are we going to run into problems?? please give me any advise … its greatly needed… thank you
 
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angeleyes20:
ok i dont know how to go about this. but here goes nothing… im catholic… born and raised… and well my fiance’ isnt …and has been divorced once. the marrage was not reconsiloble at all so it was for the best… but my question is… he wants to convert to catholic and wants to be married in a catholic church… is that possible or are we going to run into problems?? please give me any advise … its greatly needed… thank you
Since you’re Catholic, you must be attending mass on a regular basis at some parish. Speak to your priest asap. I’m sure he can let you know what will need to be done.

I know it’s not impossible, it may take some time, but that’s not a bad thing. It will make the actual wedding much more meaningful.
 
I’m pretty sure Catholic Answers website will have a book to purchase about annulments or whatever issues you are coping with.They also have direct phone numbers to call with specific questions. Look at their website also. I know that a lot depends on whether your fiance was baptised and whether his previous spouse was baptised, whether they were married in a Christian Church, etc. You will definitely need to make an appointment with your parish priest to discuss the process. This could actually be a wonderful beginning to a journey the two of you will take together. Some friends of mine are currently in the process with a similar situation as yours and they are discovering the Catholic faith together.

Good luck and God Bless
 
individual marriage and annulment questions cannot possibly be dealt with on a radio show or an internet forum. every case is unique. the individual should contact his pastor, or the pastor of the Catholic church where he will be receiving instruction to enter the Church, about his own marriage situation. In general, the Catholic Church considers all marriages between non-Catholics to be valid until proven otherwise. Therefore a Catholic may not date or become engaged to (much less marry) a divorced person who has not had the previous marriage declared null (never happened, not valid) by the Catholic Church, through the process of the marriage tribunal. see your pastor without delay, you cannot have a relationship leading to marriage with this person until his status is resolved.
 
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angeleyes20:
ok i dont know how to go about this. but here goes nothing… im catholic… born and raised… and well my fiance’ isnt …and has been divorced once. the marrage was not reconsiloble at all so it was for the best… but my question is… he wants to convert to catholic and wants to be married in a catholic church… is that possible or are we going to run into problems?? please give me any advise … its greatly needed… thank you
All of what other posters have said here is true. It is wise to visit with your parish priest concerning the exact circumstances of your case, but here are some basic facts:

If your fiancee was married in another ecclesial community by a minister of another community, his marriage is valid and will require an annulment. Your priest will be able to direct you on how to deal with this.

If he was married outside any ecclesial community, i.e., by a justice of the peace, there is no need for an annulment as there was never a marriage recognized by the Church. If that is the case, there is no impedement to your marriage.

Concerning him joining the Catholic Church, let us first praise God for the conversion of a soul!

Second, his divorce does not impede him from joining the Catholic Church and participating in Her sacraments. However, his remarriage (assuming his first marriage was valid) does. Of course, he may always attend Mass, but may not receive Holy Communion, like any Catholic with a mortal sin.

It is my suggestion to you, if his first marriage was valid, to put off any marriage until the annulment process can complete. You must also be prepared for the possibility that the Defender of the Bond may win out and you may lose the annulment case. In which case you may appeal to the Roman Rota, but this can be a very long process.

We have a fine Canon Lawyer who is a Deacon from the Diocese of Lansing who posts on the board on a regular basis. Perhaps he would like to chime in. I am a mere expert in Liturgy with a limited knowledge in Canon Law.

Adam
 
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NetNuncio:
All of what other posters have said here is true. It is wise to visit with your parish priest concerning the exact circumstances of your case, but here are some basic facts . . . Adam
Adam (NetNuncio) is way too kind.

As another poster remarks, responses on an internet forum cannot authoritatively answer questions of law or pastoral practice in a given circumstance. They should be understood as general advice which alerts the inquirer to what he or she might expect to discover in speaking with a priest, deacon, or ecclesiastical lay minister.

I tend to pipe in only when a response seems to lack accuracy, or when it does not refer to a basis in law, or when a personal interpretation of the law by some poster improperly endangers the exercise of rights in the Church. And, I have time. Generally, the forum is self-correcting in that there are many knowledgable and orthodox posters to do follow ups.

To marry your fiance validly would first require that the Church establish his freedom to marry. In general, there are two possible paths.

If he is unbaptized and now wishes Catholic baptism, a privilege of the faith (either as a Pauline privilege in the case of two unbaptized parties or a Petrine privilege in the case in which only one is unbaptized) might be possible, but a Church process must establish that.

Otherwise there must be an investigation by a tribunal to see if his first marriage was invalid for a reason recognized in either divine or Church law.

Both of these topics can be discussed in depth with the priest, deacon, or lay minister, at your parish who deals with marriage situations.

In response to an earlier post though, I would comment that attempting marriage without a privilege or declaration of invalidity would not result in a less meaningful marriage; it would result in an invalid marriage and be objectively gravely sinful.

There is a broader question, of course. Dating a divorced person whose freedom to marry has not been established, is fraught with spiritual dangers, and I cannot think of a situation in which I would ever encourage it. It is even more spiritually dangerous to proceed toward exclusive dating, company-keeping, and marriage. But I am at least pleased at the hope of conversion and the desire of the original poster to do the right things at this point.

The practice I would encourage is to delay baptism or reception into the Church for a divorced person who wishes to marry again until that person’s freedom to marry has been established. This is done not only for pastoral reasons but to avoid future complications that may arise in a procedure for privilege or invalidity. Even when a prospective catechumen or candidate for reception does not have a proximate intention to remarry, but conceivably might some day, this is the wiser path. Prudent RCIA directors discuss this issue during the first interviews with inquirers or present it very early in the inquiry process.

Another matter that bears discussion has to do with seeing if reconciliation of the divorced person is possible. While this may not be the situation presented by the case at hand, there is an obligation by the Church’s ministers to seek such reconciliation, or at least, to raise the question.

Ultimately the divorced who envision remarriage must decide if they will take the teaching of Christ at face value, that marriage is indissoluble and that divorce goes not give a right to remarry. They will either commit to a union that is gravely, objectively sinful, or they will submit to the authority of the Church which acts in the name of Christ as Judge to determine that the first marriage was not a binding and indissoluble union through an “annulment” process, or made possible by a recourse to the right of Baptism and the privilege of the faith.
 
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NetNuncio:
If he was married outside any ecclesial community, i.e., by a justice of the peace, there is no need for an annulment as there was never a marriage recognized by the Church. If that is the case, there is no impedement to your marriage.
I’m not quite sure this is correct.

Hopefully Deacon Cameron can step in here and address this as well, but I think that civil weddings (e.g., justice of the peace) are recognized by the Church as long as no Catholics or Eastern Orthodox are involved.
 
Hopefully …
I only addressed the original post, and should have addressed this question of civil weddings by other Christians apart from the Eastern Orthodox. But the forum is generally self-correcting as Catholic2003 now demonstrates.

The unbaptized only have to wed civilly.

Catholics, whether Latin or Eastern, and Eastern Orthodox have prescribed forms of marriage that must be observed for validity, with the exceptions of certain cases provided by law. Chiefly for Catholics those would be cases of dispensation from canonical from.

In the case of other baptized non-Catholics, the Church recognizes as proper canonical form rites used by those other Christian “denominations” (see the instruction* Dignitas Connubii*, article 4.)

None of those denominations impose them for validity (at least to my knowledge). Since those ecclesial communities are satisfied with a civil wedding for their members, we would recognize those marriages.

In all cases, any marriage of anyone not ending in death bears examination and resolution about the condition of freedom before subsequent marriage is possible in the Catholic Church.
 
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