Marriage - two catholic people

[Cupcake143]

My priest was talking about marriage and why it’s important to marry a Catholic. He said that marrying a Catholic if you are Catholic, would be “supernatural marriage” i am not sure exactly, but does anyone know what this means?

Also, what if a Catholic person were to marry a maronite? A lebanese christian told me they are Maronite but not Catholic? I always thought maronite is Catholic.

 

[Ghosty]

My priest was talking about marriage and why it’s important to marry a Catholic. He said that marrying a Catholic if you are Catholic, would be “supernatural marriage” i am not sure exactly, but does anyone know what this means?

Also, what if a Catholic person were to marry a maronite? A lebanese christian told me they are Maronite but not Catholic? I always thought maronite is Catholic.

I think the priest is refering to the Sacramental nature of Christian marriage, but I don’t know why he would single out Catholic-Catholic marriages, since a marriage between a Catholic and an Orthodox would also be Sacramental, for example.

As for Maronites, they are Catholic by definition. Perhaps this person was making the distinction between Maronite and Roman/Latin Catholics (I’ve heard some Maronites, especially those from Lebanon, making this distinction using the terms Maronite and Catholic; I’ve also heard them make this same distinction when referring to Melkites as Catholics), or perhaps they are not a Catholic but come from a Maronite family. There is no non-Catholic “Maronite” Church, however, though they are closely related to the Syriac Orthodox tradition (Maronites being a “branch” of that same Syriac tradition that has maintained unity with Rome).

Peace and God bless!

 

[Vico]

My priest was talking about marriage and why it’s important to marry a Catholic. He said that marrying a Catholic if you are Catholic, would be “supernatural marriage” i am not sure exactly, but does anyone know what this means?

Also, what if a Catholic person were to marry a maronite? A lebanese christian told me they are Maronite but not Catholic? I always thought maronite is Catholic.

A natural marriage is between two that are not both baptised. A marriage is a sacrament when between two validly baptised Christians. If one or more are Catholic, it must be with the approval of the Catholic Church to even be capable of validity. Therefore the sacramental marriage is called supernatural.

 

[graceandglory]

My priest was talking about marriage and why it’s important to marry a Catholic. He said that marrying a Catholic if you are Catholic, would be “supernatural marriage” i am not sure exactly, but does anyone know what this means?

Also, what if a Catholic person were to marry a maronite? A lebanese christian told me they are Maronite but not Catholic? I always thought maronite is Catholic.

Maronite Catholics are Eastern Rite Catholics and obey the Pope. The person you talked to might not know the difference. Haven’t you ever met a Catholic who didn’t know if they were a Christian? :banghead:

 

[Earnest_Bunbury]

It would seem that if two people with differing and distinct views on the supernatural, such as the Real Presence, the nature of Baptism, salvation and justification, etc., marry then the point of contact between these differing faith beliefs must come at a lower level than the full ontological truth. They must meet at some level that is agreeable to both and this diminishes the supernatural nature of their faith, their marriage, and their family.

This would affect the reception of grace which is the spiritual life of God in us. Two people believing that Baptism washes away Original Sin and makes one adopted into the family of God is much different spiritually than when one of them believes it to be only a personal outward profession of faith.

 

[Vico]

It would seem that if two people with differing and distinct views on the supernatural, such as the Real Presence, the nature of Baptism, salvation and justification, etc., marry then the point of contact between these differing faith beliefs must come at a lower level than the full ontological truth. They must meet at some level that is agreeable to both and this diminishes the supernatural nature of their faith, their marriage, and their family.

This would affect the reception of grace which is the spiritual life of God in us. Two people believing that Baptism washes away Original Sin and makes one adopted into the family of God is much different spiritually than when one of them believes it to be only a personal outward profession of faith.

That makes sense. The sacramental theology is that the Holy Spirit provides the individual with both an increase of sanctifying grace at reception of the sacrament, if already in a state of grace, and actual graces specific to the sacrament throughout the marriage. Yet, the actual graces specifid to matrimony are there even when not in the state of grace.

 

[ConstantineTG]

My priest was talking about marriage and why it’s important to marry a Catholic. He said that marrying a Catholic if you are Catholic, would be “supernatural marriage” i am not sure exactly, but does anyone know what this means?

Also, what if a Catholic person were to marry a maronite? A lebanese christian told me they are Maronite but not Catholic? I always thought maronite is Catholic.

Maybe he’s just playing into the stereotype that people assume that being Catholic means being Roman Catholic.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Maronite Catholics are Eastern Rite Catholics and obey the Pope.

:banghead:Replace the word “obey” with “are in communion with” and you will have it right.:banghead:

 

[malphono]

graceandglory;8163480:

Maronite Catholics are Eastern Rite Catholics and obey the Pope. The person you talked to might not know the difference. Haven’t you ever met a Catholic who didn’t know if they were a Christian? :banghead:

:banghead:Replace the word “obey” with “are in communion with” and you will have it right.:banghead:

As for Maronites, they are Catholic by definition. Perhaps this person was making the distinction between Maronite and Roman/Latin Catholics (I’ve heard some Maronites, especially those from Lebanon, making this distinction using the terms Maronite and Catholic; I’ve also heard them make this same distinction when referring to Melkites as Catholics), or perhaps they are not a Catholic but come from a Maronite family. There is no non-Catholic “Maronite” Church, however, though they are closely related to the Syriac Orthodox tradition (Maronites being a “branch” of that same Syriac tradition that has maintained unity with Rome).

In the Middle East, it is quite the norm make certain distinctions about one’s sect. For example, it’s usual to say “Roum Catholique” when referring to a Melkite or “Roum Orthodoxe” when referring to an AOC person. The same is true with “Syrien Catholique” for someone of the SCC, and “Syrien Orthodoxe” for someone of the SOC. A “Catholic” is always and everywhere a Latin. A Maronite is a Maronite. Period. There is really no such thing as a “Maronite Catholic.”

 

[salusanimarum17]

:banghead:Replace the word “obey” with “are in communion with” and you will have it right.:banghead:

So, it’s “wrong” to say that a Maronite “obeys” (or is to obey) the Pope of Rome? That’s news to me.

 

[ConstantineTG]

So, it’s “wrong” to say that a Maronite “obeys” (or is to obey) the Pope of Rome? That’s news to me.

Yes it is wrong to say that. Every particular Church would follow their own leadership, from Bishops to Metropolitans to Patriarchs/Major Archbishops/Synods. The Pope doesn’t intervene until he really has to.

 

[malphono]

So, it’s “wrong” to say that a Maronite “obeys” (or is to obey) the Pope of Rome? That’s news to me.

I probably shouldn’t do this but I have to ask: what is the purpose of using the word “obey” here? Is there a particular point to be made?

In any case, ByzCath is quite correct in his usage.

 

[salusanimarum17]

I probably shouldn’t do this but I have to ask: what is the purpose of using the word “obey” here? Is there a particular point to be made?

In any case, ByzCath is quite correct in his usage.

I didn’t use it. You’ll have to ask “graceandglory.” I was simply looking for a clarification as to why the person who did use it was said to be “wrong” when the Roman Pontiff is the Pastor of the entire Church. So, I suppose my point is I would never have thought that a person would be “wrong” for saying any Catholic “obeys” the Pope. Not the best or most applicable term? Fine. Wrong? Still working on that one.

 

[Pitcharan]

My priest …said that marrying a Catholic if you are Catholic, would be “supernatural marriage” …

I got married to an Orthodox Malankara Syrian Christian girl in a Protestant Church and I am convinced that ours was a super-natural marriage and clearly saw God’s hand from the word go:
(i) Within two months of our first meeting, our Pope reached an agreement with their Patriach which made matters very smooth for us to get married (we met on 19th May 1984 and the agreement was reached on 23rd June 1984 prounione.urbe.it/dia-int/oo-rc_syrindia/doc/e_oo-rc_syrindia_1994agr.html)

(ii) All kinds of opposition were cleared miraculously

(iii) Finally my mother who was very upset about celebrating the wedding in church that did not venerate Mother Mary, was pleasently surprised to see a prominent picture of Mother Mary in the church (St. Paul’s Cathedral, Kolkata)

(iv) Our son was born on Easter Sunday, 1986

(v) Our daughter was born during Christmas 2003

(vi) Both babies were normal deliveries

 

[Danibarraco]

I wanted to know if my fiance didn’t make confirmation but, did make his other sacraments if he can still marry me in Catholic Church and if there is a way to confirm him soon so we may marry soon as we are older and would like to begin our lives?
Thanks!

 

[Vico]

I wanted to know if my fiance didn’t make confirmation but, did make his other sacraments if he can still marry me in Catholic Church and if there is a way to confirm him soon so we may marry soon as we are older and would like to begin our lives?
Thanks!

It it possible, but strongly recommended, because confirmation will strengthen the faith which is needed to respond to the graces of the sacrament of marriage, and the same for penance and eucharist.

Catechism 1285 Baptism, the Eucharist, and the sacrament of Confirmation together constitute the “sacraments of Christian initiation,” whose unity must be safeguarded. It must be explained to the faithful that the reception of the sacrament of Confirmation is necessary for the completion of baptismal grace.89 For "by the sacrament of Confirmation, [the baptized] are more perfectly bound to the Church and are enriched with a special strength of the Holy Spirit. Hence they are, as true witnesses of Christ, more strictly obliged to spread and defend the faith by word and deed."90

 

[graceandglory]

I didn’t use it. You’ll have to ask “graceandglory.” I was simply looking for a clarification as to why the person who did use it was said to be “wrong” when the Roman Pontiff is the Pastor of the entire Church. So, I suppose my point is I would never have thought that a person would be “wrong” for saying any Catholic “obeys” the Pope. Not the best or most applicable term? Fine. Wrong? Still working on that one.

I did originally use it as interchangeble. I can see the difference now. I am Latin Rite Catholic, and I can attend a Maronite or Byzantine liturgy with a married priest, and receive a valid Eucharist there. They are “in communion” with the Pope, but do not obey Latin rite “rules.” They may also receive Communion in my Latin Rite parish.

Thanks for parsing words. I will try to do better next time.

A Maronite Catholic can marry a Latin Rite Catholic.

 

[5Loaves]

A Maronite Catholic can marry a Latin Rite Catholic.

Maybe this was already said and I missed it. For the marriage to be valid a priest must officiate. In the Latin Church a deacon may witness the marriage, but the marriage of any Catholic baptized in an Eastern Church (or an Orthodox Church who then becomes Catholic) can only be validly married by a priest.

 

[ConstantinePX]

(In regards to OP)
Maronite would not be a incorrect label. Maronite is a Rite of Catholicism, (A specific rite being the rituals and rites used in a common Church, the Marontie Church) which is in turn a Denomination/Commune of Christianity, subdivisions more less I suppose. Wouldnt be any different then someone calling themselves a Roman, Byzantine, or what have you.

e.g.

Religion: Christianity
Commune/Sect: Catholic
Rite: Roman

Religion: Christianity
Commune/Sect: Episcopal
Rite: Anglican

(In regards to ByzCath post)
Not to try and cause trouble and come off as I am attacking. But if you are in communion with Rome and therefore its Catechis and teachings, would that not mean you are in communion with the decrees and doctrines of the Pope being the sole authority in the ex cathedra capacity that in the end, all clergy and laity must obey, rather then selectively choose which doctrines to obey and which ones to disobey?