Marriage with prenuptial ageement

[Dee_Dee_King]

According to cannon law, any marriage contracted with conditions about the future, like how assests would be divided up after divorce, would be invalid.

knowing this is the case, should I attend a catholic marriage between people who have entered into a prenuptial agreement? obviously, if it’s de facto invalid, i don’t think anyone should. or is this something that’s between them and God. the priest said he doesn’t think they’re ready but will go ahead with the marriage if they want to.

 

[Bookcat]

According to cannon law, any marriage contracted with conditions about the future, like how assests would be divided up after divorce, would be invalid.

knowing this is the case, should I attend a catholic marriage between people who have entered into a prenuptial agreement? obviously, if it’s de facto invalid, i don’t think anyone should. or is this something that’s between them and God. the priest said he doesn’t think they’re ready but will go ahead with the marriage if they want to.

Yes …Can. 1102 §1. A marriage subject to a condition about the future cannot be contracted validly.

But not sure about that this is a “future condition”’…I am just not sure the example given would be such…but maybe…usually such would be “I will marry you on the condition that you become king of England” or something… BUT this can effect the validity of the marriage from the point of view of the marriage not being intended to be “permanent”…they are already planning the divorce…(and such is not allowed…obviously)…or the exclusion of a will to common life…

Can. 1101
§2. If, however, either or both of the parties by a positive act of the will exclude marriage itself, some essential element of marriage, or some essential property of marriage, the party contracts invalidly.

If the marriage would be invalid marriage…I would not attend.

(and I would try perhaps to help them make it valid!..maybe even contact the priest…he needs to know)

 

[Spencerian]

According to cannon law, any marriage contracted with conditions about the future, like how assests would be divided up after divorce, would be invalid.

knowing this is the case, should I attend a catholic marriage between people who have entered into a prenuptial agreement? obviously, if it’s de facto invalid, i don’t think anyone should. or is this something that’s between them and God. the priest said he doesn’t think they’re ready but will go ahead with the marriage if they want to.

Father Vincent Serpa of CAL gives his opinion as well on prenups in this past Ask an Apologist thread.

The Church does not give many conditions to attending a wedding between a baptized or unbaptized man and woman because the ramifications of not attending (however valid in terms of morality or canon law) may create bigger problems for families or friends as a whole. Best to assume that the wedding will be presumptively valid.

The only patent exception where a Catholic should consider begging off on attendance is in regards to same-sex “marriages,” since the Church has been quite clear as to their invalidity (although there isn’t a specific canon law against it).

Unless you are really nosy, how would one know the particulars of a prenup, much less the couple’s free-to-marry status, in order to decide whether or not to attend?

Best to attend such a wedding unless your conscience, health, budget or work schedule prohibit it.

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

maybe even contact the priest…he needs to know

the priest knows and told them that he didn’t think they were ready but would marry them if they want to.

Hi,

The Catholic Church teaches that marriage is the COMPLETE giving of the spouses to God through each other. Therefore, there can be NO strings attached. A prenuptial is a very big string!

–Fr. Vincent Serpa.

Unless you are really nosy, how would one know the particulars of a prenup, much less the couple’s free-to-marry status, in order to decide whether or not to attend?

the person getting married is my sister-in-law and i know all about it. in fact, i read the prenuptial draft.

 

[Bookcat]

The Church does not give many conditions to attending a wedding between a baptized or unbaptized man and woman because the ramifications of not attending (however valid in terms of morality or canon law) may create bigger problems for families or friends as a whole. Best to assume that the wedding will be presumptively valid.

i would disagree. I take Jimmy Akins line…if God is not going to show up…I would not recommend going. (I would not myself go…).

Such can be approval of an objectively sinful situation and in effect a lie. Celebrating a fiction or a lie.

1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:

• by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
• by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
• by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
• by protecting evil-doers.

 

[Bookcat]

Having said that…one often needs to really look into if it will really be invalid …some things are obvious …others are not.

 

[Bookcat]

the priest knows and told them that he didn’t think they were ready but would marry them if they want to.–Fr. Vincent Serpa.the person getting married is my sister in law and i know all about it. in fact, i read the prenuptial draft.

Prehaps “consider” calling the Chancery…(after perhaps trying the Priest…)…since you have read a copy of the “prenup”