Marriage without love is or is not a sin?

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I just read a thread that said a marriage with out being in love with the person is okay? I don’t understand. So if a person is forced into an arranged marriage and has no feeling for their other thats okay because its a man and woman but two woman who are **in love **with each other can’t marry? Please explain and please refrain from quoting the Bible on this one. I want to hear your honest views. I’m not here to cause trouble I just want to know how a religion based on love and acceptance can allow marriage between two people that are not in love yet refuses others that are in love.
 
I just read a thread that said a marriage with out being in love with the person is okay? I don’t understand. So if a person is forced into an arranged marriage and has no feeling for their other thats okay because its a man and woman but two woman who are **in love **with each other can’t marry? Please explain and please refrain from quoting the Bible on this one. I want to hear your honest views. I’m not here to cause trouble I just want to know how a religion based on love and acceptance can allow marriage between two people that are not in love yet refuses others that are in love.
That’s pretty easy: marriage is not (primarily) about romance.

Now if the question were “is it ok to marry with no intention of bearing children” you would hear a different answer. And, certainly, being attracted to your spouse is conducive to enjoying the process of procreation.

(Note that the question posed to the apologist was whether marrying without physical attraction was a sin.)
 
That’s pretty easy: marriage is not (primarily) about romance.

Now if the question were “is it ok to marry with no intention of bearing children” you would hear a different answer. And, certainly, being attracted to your spouse is conducive to that end.
Exactly. There’s a huge difference between

a) on the one hand, not picking someone primarily for looks or physical chemistry but still being committed to making a good and faithful marriage with them and fulfilling one’s part as a spouse in every respect including sexually, and

b) the Henry VIII-Anne of Cleves situation - marrying someone you’ve never met, AND marrying them IN SPITE OF being so repulsed by them (whether physically or personality wise) that you’ll never be able to bring yourself to do the deed or stay faithful to them.

As for why not two men or two women who love each other - well, why not a brother and sister or mother and son - or a man and five women or three men and three women in a group marriage for that matter - if all truly love each other?

You’ve got to look beyond simplistic definitions of what marriage is and should be.
 
I just read a thread that said a marriage with out being in love with the person is okay? I don’t understand.
It makes sense to me, because marriage is a commitment. You can make a commitment to someone no matter how you feel about them. I would recommend against making a commitment to someone you can’t stand, but romantic feelings aren’t really necessary. Now, of course I want to marry a man I love (and I’m planning to) but I don’t feel it’s a sin to decide to marry someone for more practical reasons.
So if a person is forced into an arranged marriage and has no feeling for their other thats okay because its a man and woman …
Actually, no it’s not. Marriage requires consent. You can’t be forced into a commitment. If you agree to get married and it turns out you were misled, that’s grounds for annulment (both legally and in Church law). The people I know who are in arranged marriages agreed to marry their spouses. They chose to commit to someone they didn’t know very well and hadn’t developed feelings for, based on respect for their cultural traditions and whatever other reasons they had.
…but two woman who are **in love **with each other can’t marry? Please explain …
If I fall in love with a man who’s already married, I can’t marry him either, can I? If I fall in love with my brother, I can’t marry him. If I fall in love with a child, or with my vacuum cleaner, I can’t marry them either. Them’s the rules. 🤷
…and please refrain from quoting the Bible on this one. I want to hear your honest views. I’m not here to cause trouble I just want to know how a religion based on love and acceptance can allow marriage between two people that are not in love yet refuses others that are in love.
The love on which this religion is based is not the “in love” kind of love. It’s a love based on giving, on sacrifice. I’m supposed to love my neighbours, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to marry every one of my neighbours. Falling in love is a wonderful thing, but as we all know, we can’t marry everyone we fall in love with. We have to choose who we give our commitment to wisely. Some people choose to make a commitment to someone they can’t marry - a parent, a friend, or a person of the same gender - and that’s a decision that’s reasonable, but they can’t expect to marry that person.

That’s my two cents.
 
I just read a thread that said a marriage with out being in love with the person is okay? I don’t understand. So if a person is forced into an arranged marriage and has no feeling for their other thats okay because its a man and woman but two woman who are **in love **with each other can’t marry? Please explain and please refrain from quoting the Bible on this one. I want to hear your honest views. I’m not here to cause trouble I just want to know how a religion based on love and acceptance can allow marriage between two people that are not in love yet refuses others that are in love.
Yeah basically, but you got to feel so badly for a person forced to marry a person they don’t love, are not attracted to, and who may or may not be kind. BUT that wasn’t your point was it?

Quite frankly I am sick and TIRED of listening to this being about hate or “intolerance.” No, it’s not. It’s a respect for the Sacraments. This is not racism, this is not hate - this is maintaining our SACRAMENT OF MATRIMONY. We can’t speak for other faiths, but we can speak for ours. Our church and sacramental law is specific about marriage between a man and a woman. We must pro-create. Don’t take it personally.

To quote Stephen Colbert:

“Why don’t you get your own thing and call it Garriage?”

I think we would all agree to that.😛

God Bless.
 
I just read a thread that said a marriage with out being in love with the person is okay? I don’t understand. So if a person is forced into an arranged marriage and has no feeling for their other thats okay because its a man and woman but two woman who are **in love **with each other can’t marry? Please explain and please refrain from quoting the Bible on this one. I want to hear your honest views. I’m not here to cause trouble I just want to know how a religion based on love and acceptance can allow marriage between two people that are not in love yet refuses others that are in love.
Loving someone is not the same as being in love. Not being in love doesn’t mean you’re forced. A forced marriage is no marriage (it’s invalid) and this has nothing to do with being or not being in love. Marrying without romantic feelings is not a sin. Marrying to use the other person is sinful.
 
As has been said here, marriage is not about romance. Marriage is something that has been ordained by God, was raised to a Sacrament by Christ, and is clearly outlined in the Bible (I know you don’t want to hear the Bible here, but, when you get a minute, give 1 Corinthians a read…).

People all over the world in all times have entered “arranged marriages”. They were not the end of the world, in fact, they are closer to the way God designed things.

Our western society now shuns arranged marriages. We must take great care when discerning whom to marry, and not base our decision on lust or roantic fireworks feelings.

We have to learn what real love is. Reading the Holy Father’s letter “God Is Love” may help you:

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html

C. S. Lewis wrote a good book called “The Four Loves”.

Once you learn what God’s love is, it will make more sense.
 
While there should be attraction and affection for one another, the purpose of marriage is to form a family in God’s image. In the Catholic Church, that means a man and a woman come together with the purpose of bringing each other to heaven and forming a family on earth whose love reflects that of our Creator.

Now, trust me, I believe that consenting adults should be able to get into any arrangement they want legally. HOWEVER, in regards to the Sacraments, gay marriage is impossible.

Of course, a forced marriage is null and void. You need the consent of both parties, a free consent. But you don’t always feel romance for each other. While you should romance each other in your marriage, you won’t always feel like that. Just like you don’t always feel God’s presence but at the same time, you know He loves you.
 
Speaking of love isn’t enough. There have been several cases in recent years when a woman who was a grade school teacher eloped with a grade school male student. Or I can love my cat–is that a reason why I should be allowed to marry my cat? Marriage in some cases is out of line no matter how much I claim that I love the other.
 
I just read a thread that said a marriage with out being in love with the person is okay? I don’t understand. So if a person is forced into an arranged marriage and has no feeling for their other thats okay because its a man and woman but two woman who are **in love **with each other can’t marry? Please explain and please refrain from quoting the Bible on this one. I want to hear your honest views. I’m not here to cause trouble I just want to know how a religion based on love and acceptance can allow marriage between two people that are not in love yet refuses others that are in love.
To answer your question of whether or not It is sinful to be married to someone without loving them the answer would be yes. After you say “to love and cherish until death do you part” your are obliged to love them.

It would violate part of your wedding vows you have made. A marriage based upon slothful convenience is wrong. Just so much is not loving your spouse even if they do not love you.
 
A mutually agreed upon marriage which both the husband and wife to be agree to, entered into sacramentally, with the understanding that one of the principle purposes of marriage is procreation? Nothing wrong with that at all. They make a promise to love, and they should honour that promise. Love and being ‘‘in love’’ are not always the same though.

No, two women, or two men who ‘‘love each other’’ cannot get married sacramentally so not only is it wrong it is also impossible.

And our religion is not based on love or acceptance of sin.
 
As has been said here, marriage is not about romance. Marriage is something that has been ordained by God, was raised to a Sacrament by Christ, and is clearly outlined in the Bible (I know you don’t want to hear the Bible here, but, when you get a minute, give 1 Corinthians a read…).
When we say marriage is not about romance, I believe we should clarify. Yes, it is not about romance in the sense of the romantic genre of books. Marriage is older than those. Marriage is older than romance books and is older than courtly love as well. But to say that feelings are irrelevant, not intrinsic to marriage and so on, would be misleading. Erotic love is in place in marriage and we are entitled to it. Each spouse is entitled to be desired. This should not come down to sex alone. Excessive sentimentalism is wrong, but feelings are not. The Song of Songs is not quite a puritanistic vision of marriage as a necessary evil which is only justified by procreation and then still dirty. I remember a Vatican document defining marital love as a kind of friendship. I liked that and if you understand friendship properly, that is a very good thing. But to marry someone who is not a friend, nor could be, is dread.
People all over the world in all times have entered “arranged marriages”. They were not the end of the world, in fact, they are closer to the way God designed things.
Perhaps picks are better, perhaps not. Certainly each spouse’s own free and willing consent is superior to lack of it. No earthly authority can supply marital consent. I do not think the choice of spouse is an area for filial obedience, either.
Our western society now shuns arranged marriages. We must take great care when discerning whom to marry, and not base our decision on lust or roantic fireworks feelings.
That is true, but the arranging was more societal than it was theological. The choice was about economics and sometimes also physical help in running the household, the farm or the enterprise. Sometimes perhaps fitting personalities. But at any rate I oppose the idea of parents choosing spouses for children as an exercise of parental authority. Parental authority does not stretch that far. I do not stand by the criteria which were used in matchmaking in past ages.

I agree, however, that lust is a bad base for marriage. Lust as in the sin of lust is not a good base for anything. Romantic fireworks? Those are fine per se, but if I were to act on each instance I have a romantic crush, I’d have as many wives as King David. Of course, you could argue that I’ve never had a strong romantic feeling then. And that would be a gross simplification. What I can tell you is that it seems to me the romantic fireworks feelings are often short-lasted, they often have more to do with sexual attraction that we think, sometimes they have to do with a different superficial attraction, but at any rate our minds are clouded and we don’t do what’s good for us. That’s not what love is about.

Love builds, it doesn’t destroy. Good love is about building, not about destroying. If it destroys, it means it’s bad love, or rather not love at all. Our strong passions are not what makes love. Love is patient, love is kind, see 1 Corinthians 13 for the rest. That I kind of romance I wholeheartedly believe in and I want to experience it if I ever am to marry. That love is never irrelevant in a marriage. Passions by contrast are often not patient, they seek their own, they don’t always drive us along the lines of truth, they often can’t take much and they don’t always last. They sometimes go away once we find a new object of our affections or they die as a result of an insult or some disappointment. It’s easy to kill a superficial romantic love.
We have to learn what real love is. Reading the Holy Father’s letter “God Is Love” may help you:

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html

C. S. Lewis wrote a good book called “The Four Loves”.

Once you learn what God’s love is, it will make more sense.
🙂

We get better romance than 18-19th century writers or Harlequin authors could invent. 🙂 In fact, many of them in some imperfect way tried to reach to this ideal which came from a Christian culture - we did know we should ideally love our spouses. The way to that, however, never led through adultery, fornication, giving in to passions, abandoning reason. On the other hand, we cannot love by being cold. I can’t avoid going back to 1 Corinthians 13 here.
But you don’t always feel romance for each other. While you should romance each other in your marriage, you won’t always feel like that. Just like you don’t always feel God’s presence but at the same time, you know He loves you.
Yes. Love is a choice. It’s not a choice like, “I want a pink wallpaper,” or, “I want blue.” It’s a choice on which one acts and which determines one’s attitude. In a sense, it’s an act of loyalty, although there is more to it. You respect the oath you’ve made and it doesn’t last only as long as you first start feeling like the fireworks are absent. In our love with God, we will also sometimes feel like the fireworks are gone. This doesn’t mean we should go and join a different religion. Love requires commitment. The point that romance authors miss is the perseverance guided by commitment - not perseverance guided by lust or the desire to acquire the person we are in love with. Love is not serotonin and love is not, “feels good.” While they sometimes get it and generally many romantics somehow still get it, the point is that we need to be consequent instead of making concessions for our flighty passions. Concessions are not a way to reach an ideal.
 
Biandblessed, perhaps try reading about Saint Giovanna Beretta Molla, who was a married woman who very much loved her husband? Even her letters have been published. Those should give you a vision of Christian love.
 
Oh, I love St. Gianna! Good choice! The love letters between her and her husband are beautiful, yet it made me cry to read one that Pietro wrote to her when she was dying (where he would watch her straighten up clothes and dresses, knowing that she wouldn’t be doing that anymore).
 
I just read a thread that said a marriage with out being in love with the person is okay? I don’t understand. So if a person is forced into an arranged marriage and has no feeling for their other thats okay because its a man and woman but two woman who are **in love **with each other can’t marry? e.
you have introduced 3 separate issues, which is the real one that is bothering you?
Is it, as just answered in AAA, is it a sin for a woman to marry a woman she is not “in love” with.

Is it arranged marriage? The Church’s view that if as in your words “a person is forced into an arranged marriage” that marriage is invalid from its inception.

Or is it what I suspect is the root of your question, is it possible for two men or two women to marry. That of course is not possible by definition. Marriage from its inception–read the first two chapters of Genesis for the biblical basis you ask, and the decalogue–is between one man and one woman. That can be proved outside the bible from nature and biology.

so why not restate your question to discuss your actual concern.
 
The nuts and bolts of marriage is getting along with each other, every day, 365 days a year. And that’s where choice comes in. You can let small irritations pile up until you can’t stand it, or you can deal with them one by one, as they come up, and make a choice then and there whether you can accept them or whether you have to ask your spouse to change a behavior.

That doesn’t require romantic love.

As for two women marrying…

Man, woman, children. That’s a traditional family. If it didn’t work, it wouldn’t be traditional. As for “non-traditional” family situations, well, there are a lot of them nowadays, and there are a lot of screwed up kids, too, who grow up and bring kids into yet more untraditional situations, and so on, and so on.

Don’t write me off as a stupid bigot. I’m neither. I just don’t feel like writing a dissertation on the subject. Especially since it’s past my bedtime.

Good night, and God bless you,

Ruthie
 
A few days before Christmas December 20th, 2007 my gracious loving mother lost her husband due to a long illness over an eleven year span. I lost a respected and brother like father whom I’ll always miss. Sometime just before Christmas 2008 my mother sent her wedding ring in for repairs at a local jeweler due to a loose diamond.

The lady behind the counter asked my mother
(“So What’s The Secret Behind A Marriage Of Fifty-Two Years ?”)

My mother paused for a short moment in reflection and replied
(“Forgiveness”)

Given the speechless facial expression on the ladies face behind the counter I’m sure she was unexpectedly surprised.

But when I contemplate my mother’s reply.
Doesn’t (“Forgiveness”) really sum up the profound secret of marriage in a thousand words no matter how eloquently put ?

I know it made me think quite a lot about true love in marriage.
 
Firstly, Marriage without love would mean many things.
  1. Marriage without love in my opinion means; if it is against one’s will for various reasons…debt settling or favour for owing a family, business ties to be kept, then it is a SIN. Arranged marriages are mostly a greater problem because it can hold one’s soul in coming to terms with the person she/he has to marry. Basically, Love can not be forced, it has to be giving and caring from one’s heart. It is like saying I have faith & hope to walk my christian walk and LOVE is missing. Love is the greatest of the two, without LOVE you can not pursue. Faith means anxious, hope means waiting patiently and LOVE means passion in leading a good righteous life.
  2. Woman for Woman and Man for Man has never existed and has never been God’s plan. It is Man for Woman because then the idea is to have FAMILY and without children who can be our future generation if same sex marriages take place. There will be no one on earth because there will be no population. As unity prevails in Heaven, let there be unity in our families here on earth too. Let the confused seek the HOLY SPIRIT for truth to set them free.
I would interprete LOVE as been a sacrifice of giving yourself entirely to experience what it means. It is painful and the trials are many just to serve and save. It is a very powerful word and a lot of hard work however it needs passion to do it well…God bless you all…Love parua
 
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