marriage

[kevin294]

hellow,
does anyone believe that if they get divorced or seperated that they will go to hell!..seriously!

i have heard from a good few catholics that if you divorce or seperate that you should find a new partner because its not natural to live life on your own!!
being honest…its very very weird thing to do,most people would try again at love!!

i always thought that adultery was cheating on your wife only!!

is it right for the catholic church to tell people to live celibite after divorce or seperation.

if you decide to find a new person…be it girlfreind or wife !!

i personally think that those rules the catholic church stands by are for a time when control was the norm thing in hiearchy!

please i would like to hear honest sincere answer only

 

[Tantum_ergo]

hellow,
does anyone believe that if they get divorced or seperated that they will go to hell!..seriously!

i have heard from a good few catholics that if you divorce or seperate that you should find a new partner because its not natural to live life on your own!!
being honest…its very very weird thing to do,most people would try again at love!!

i always thought that adultery was cheating on your wife only!!

is it right for the catholic church to tell people to live celibite after divorce or seperation.

if you decide to find a new person…be it girlfreind or wife !!

i personally think that those rules the catholic church stands by are for a time when control was the norm thing in hiearchy!

please i would like to hear honest sincere answer only

Sometimes it is necessary for a person to have a civil divorce; in the case of an abusive spouse, a bigamous spouse, to protect the rights of the children, or because there was never a valid marriage to begin with (one spouse lied about something major like a drinking problem, etc.)

And that person may petition for a degree of nullity. If granted, the person is free to marry again in the Church. The Church does not teach that divorce (while intrinsically a great moral wrong, tragically sometimes necessary for an innocent person) in and of itself damns a person to hell.

Your ‘personal thoughts’ are not backed up by any kind of proof, I can’t help but notice. . .

It seems to me that you’re saying that sex is so important that even if a person has made valid vows to be faithful until DEATH, if that person winds up divorcing and NOT getting a decree of nullity, he or she is ENTITLED to have the ever-so-important SEX and the Church is either stupidly backward or somehow gets its ‘jollies’ out of denying people their RIGHTS to sex sex sex sex sex. . .is that correct?

I can assure you that nobody ever died from not having sex. . .not even from not having it for years. . .even decades. So yes, the Church is quite right to demand celibate lives from those who are either still married in its eyes though civilly divorced, without a decree of nullity and a new spouse, or who are not married at all. IOW, the divorced man or woman is no more entitled to have sex outside a valid sacramental marriage than the unmarried man or woman is. The same rules hold.

 

[feargalmac]

What part of 'til death do us part, don’t you understand?

 

[puzzleannie]

!!

i personally think that those rules the catholic church stands by are for a time when control was the norm thing in hiearchy!

so you personally think Jesus himself forbade divorce and called adultery a grave sin, and said remarriage while your former spouse is still alive is adultery, because he had control issues? The Church teaches what Christ taught. period. Yes divorce is objectively sinful, although the Church allows for the fact that at times a civil divorce may be necessary to protect the rights and safety of an innocent spouse and children. However divorce does not dissolve a valid marriage, and the parties are not free to marry for the simple fact they are already married.

did you not ask essentially the same question in your thread a couple of days ago?

what you personally think is just as irrelevant as my own opinion which is why I cite Church teaching and that of Christ, not personal opinion.

nobody here said and the Church does not teach that you will go to hell if you divorce or separate so why did you even throw that in?

 

[kevin294]

Tantum ergo,

but if we say the wife and husband seperate or divorce ok, by both of them agreeing to it.we say they have lots of arrugments and cant get on!!, is it really terrible for lets say the wife to have sex with another man or marry the other man, what i mean is do you think god will blame the man just as much as the women because they got seperation/divorce.even though the wife is doing more wrong!!!

if the husband keeps to gods law of no sex or anything with womans is he good in gods eyes or do you think god will blame man because he made his wife comit adultery,

i have got the idea that if you divorce in the catholic church you are unclean,which i think is why people leave, i know that really sucks bad

 

[kevin294]

Tantum ergo,

i think you will see that the LAW OF THE LAND or whatever country your from not to mention human rights,ie,free will,which in fact goes by christan context, will show you that it is your right,

my point is i dont like to be dictated too by the church at times.

whos to say man did not make some things up to control peoples actions in life!!

theres lots of things in the bible that the pope does not go by ,YES OR NO??

sure earlier popes used to say PAY FOR YOUR SALVATION in medevil times!!!

you know and i know that as fact,

iam only making asking question guys ok!!!..iam not saying iam not catholic!

 

[kevin294]

puzzleannie,

yea i did ask the same question before but i did not get great answers ok my freind!

do i need to get your permission to talk?

look if you dont like it dont answer simple …YES ?

i think you are rude and vulgar for saying that to me !!

 

[beth40n2]

Cathechism of the Catholic Church on Divorce

2382 The Lord Jesus insisted on the original intention of the Creator who willed that marriage be indissoluble.174 He abrogates the accommodations that had slipped into the old Law.175

Between the baptized, "a ratified and consummated marriage cannot be dissolved by any human power or for any reason other than death."176

2383 The separation of spouses while maintaining the marriage bond can be legitimate in certain cases provided for by canon law.177

If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it can be tolerated and does not constitute a moral offense.

2384 Divorce is a grave offense against the natural law. It claims to break the contract, to which the spouses freely consented, to live with each other till death. Divorce does injury to the covenant of salvation, of which sacramental marriage is the sign. Contracting a new union, even if it is recognized by civil law, adds to the gravity of the rupture: the remarried spouse is then in a situation of public and permanent adultery:

If a husband, separated from his wife, approaches another woman, he is an adulterer because he makes that woman commit adultery, and the woman who lives with him is an adulteress, because she has drawn another’s husband to herself.178
2385 Divorce is immoral also because it introduces disorder into the family and into society. This disorder brings grave harm to the deserted spouse, to children traumatized by the separation of their parents and often torn between them, and because of its contagious effect which makes it truly a plague on society.

2386 It can happen that one of the spouses is the innocent victim of a divorce decreed by civil law; this spouse therefore has not contravened the moral law. There is a considerable difference between a spouse who has sincerely tried to be faithful to the sacrament of marriage and is unjustly abandoned, and one who through his own grave fault destroys a canonically valid marriage.179

Other offenses against the dignity of marriage

2387 The predicament of a man who, desiring to convert to the Gospel, is obliged to repudiate one or more wives with whom he has shared years of conjugal life, is understandable. However polygamy is not in accord with the moral law." [Conjugal] communion is radically contradicted by polygamy; this, in fact, directly negates the plan of God which was revealed from the beginning, because it is contrary to the equal personal dignity of men and women who in matrimony give themselves with a love that is total and therefore unique and exclusive."180 The Christian who has previously lived in polygamy has a grave duty in justice to honor the obligations contracted in regard to his former wives and his children.

2388 Incest designates intimate relations between relatives or in-laws within a degree that prohibits marriage between them.181 St. Paul stigmatizes this especially grave offense: "It is actually reported that there is immorality among you . . . for a man is living with his father’s wife. . . . In the name of the Lord Jesus . . . you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh. . . . "182 Incest corrupts family relationships and marks a regression toward animality.

2389 Connected to incest is any sexual abuse perpetrated by adults on children or adolescents entrusted to their care. The offense is compounded by the scandalous harm done to the physical and moral integrity of the young, who will remain scarred by it all their lives; and the violation of responsibility for their upbringing.

2390 In a so-called free union, a man and a woman refuse to give juridical and public form to a liaison involving sexual intimacy.

The expression “free union” is fallacious: what can “union” mean when the partners make no commitment to one another, each exhibiting a lack of trust in the other, in himself, or in the future?

The expression covers a number of different situations: concubinage, rejection of marriage as such, or inability to make long-term commitments.183 All these situations offend against the dignity of marriage; they destroy the very idea of the family; they weaken the sense of fidelity. They are contrary to the moral law. The sexual act must take place exclusively within marriage. Outside of marriage it always constitutes a grave sin and excludes one from sacramental communion.

2391 Some today claim a “right to a trial marriage” where there is an intention of getting married later. However firm the purpose of those who engage in premature sexual relations may be, "the fact is that such liaisons can scarcely ensure mutual sincerity and fidelity in a relationship between a man and a woman, nor, especially, can they protect it from inconstancy of desires or whim."184 Carnal union is morally legitimate only when a definitive community of life between a man and woman has been established. Human love does not tolerate “trial marriages.” It demands a total and definitive gift of persons to one another.185

 

[Catholic1954]

hellow,
does anyone believe that if they get divorced or seperated that they will go to hell!..seriously!

i have heard from a good few catholics that if you divorce or seperate that you should find a new partner because its not natural to live life on your own!!
being honest…its very very weird thing to do,most people would try again at love!!

i always thought that adultery was cheating on your wife only!!

is it right for the catholic church to tell people to live celibite after divorce or seperation.

if you decide to find a new person…be it girlfreind or wife !!

i personally think that those rules the catholic church stands by are for a time when control was the norm thing in hiearchy!

please i would like to hear honest sincere answer only

Whether you like it or not, the Catholic Church considers you validly married to your first wife, until you seek and obtain an annulment. The reasons, explanations and excuses for the divorce do not matter one bit, you are still considered married to your first wife. If you are having sexual relations with anyone but your first wife then you are commiting adultery and adultery is a mortal sin. You can keep asking the same question, and you will get the same answer. If you are divorced and remarried without an annulment then you are commiting adultery against your first wife. Instead of trying to justify your second marriage, why don’t you try and fix the situation by filing for an annulment? All you have to do is call the parish office and make an appointment with a priest to help you.

 

[Iron_Donkey]

theres lots of things in the bible that the pope does not go by ,YES OR NO??

Ahem. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

That is all.

 

[joanofarc2008]

Kevin this one is not the Church - it is Christ Himself in Matthew 15:31-32. It does not get much more clear than that. We either live by the Gospel or we do not. As far as Hell goes it is not for us to condemn anyone to Hell or not but it is for the Church to make the decision who is in communion and able to receive Eucharist IAW Christ’s teachings and who does not.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Tantum ergo,

i think you will see that the LAW OF THE LAND or whatever country your from not to mention human rights,ie,free will,which in fact goes by christan context, will show you that it is your right,

my point is i dont like to be dictated too by the church at times.

whos to say man did not make some things up to control peoples actions in life!!

theres lots of things in the bible that the pope does not go by ,YES OR NO??

sure earlier popes used to say PAY FOR YOUR SALVATION in medevil times!!!

you know and i know that as fact,

iam only making asking question guys ok!!!..iam not saying iam not catholic!

That something might be legal does not make it moral.

You don’t like God dictating to you through the Church? Hmmm, you can take that up with him.

The Church is not sola scriptura, but if you’re talking about things like Leviticus laws, nowhere in Scripture does it state that Christ’s people must follow levitical law. We are gentiles. We were given a Church by Christ to follow. The book the Church ASSEMBLED is an excellent tool (properly interpreted) but not a literal word for word ‘must do’. The Jewish people themselves interpret Scripture in a similar way and do not take it word for word either.

And NO POPE EVER said "Pay for your salvation.’

If you don’t know your own church’s history it’s no wonder you have been confused and blinded by pride into thinking that YOU can do ‘as good a job’ following Christ all on your own and picking and choosing anything you like.

So NO, hon, you and I ‘don’t know as fact’ things like your ASSERTIONS which are emphatically NOT FACTS AT ALL but mistakes on your part.

 

[Catholic90]

puzzleannie,

yea i did ask the same question before but i did not get great answers ok my freind!

do i need to get your permission to talk?

look if you dont like it dont answer simple …YES ?

i think you are rude and vulgar for saying that to me !!

Yes, someone is being rude on this thread…and it is definitely not Puzzleannie!

You will note Puzzleannie has been on these boards for quite some time, has a very active role in the Catholic Church, and probably knows more about Catholic doctrine and teachings than you…please do everyone a favor and show some respect, please.

 

[adrift]

Ahem. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

That is all.

:nope:
Why do you ask?

 

[PatriceA]

Tantum ergo,

i think you will see that the LAW OF THE LAND or whatever country your from not to mention human rights,ie,free will,which in fact goes by christan context, will show you that it is your right,

my point is i dont like to be dictated too by the church at times.

whos to say man did not make some things up to control peoples actions in life!!

theres lots of things in the bible that the pope does not go by ,YES OR NO??

sure earlier popes used to say PAY FOR YOUR SALVATION in medevil times!!!

you know and i know that as fact,

iam only making asking question guys ok!!!..iam not saying iam not catholic!

I’m confused. What part of the bible do you think the pope doesn’t follow.

Also, if you don’t like the answers that are given when you ask a question, don’t attack the people that respond. This is CAF, the answers are going to be supporting the teachings of the Church because most of not all here are trying to live out their Catholic faith to the best of their abilties, not seeking for the Church to change because they have a different opinion.

And to add, if you can’t fully stand up and promise to fulfill all your vows if you get married in the Catholic Church, including “until death do you part”, don’t get married in the Church until you can. None of the vows have some kind of “shell life”, they are ALL important and not negotiable if you get divorced or seperated. Even if you get divorced, you still vowed to love the other person until death including not having sex with another.

Annulments are another matter.

 

[adrift]

sure earlier popes used to say PAY FOR YOUR SALVATION in medevil times!!!

you know and i know that as fact,!

Will you please document this claim. What earlier popes said this? No I do not know it is a fact. I do know that it was anti catholic propaganda. But if you have the facts than you can provide proof right?

iam only making asking question guys ok!!!..iam not saying iam not catholic

Remember we are only answering to the best of our abilities.