Marriage

[a83192]

Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Marriage as sacred?

For example, the puritans imposed capital punishment for adultery. They said that the wife should obey the husband. Fornication was a grievous offense.

Why is it that virulently anti Catholic Protestants consider Marriage as sacred?

this has puzzled me.

 

[1ke]

What a bizarre question. What has one to do with the other?

 

[dconklin]

All Protestants (and groups there of) are choosy in what they agree with us on. Protestants are not against everything we believe.

 

[Joe_5859]

One might also ask:

“Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Scripture as sacred?”

or

“Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view God as a Trinity?”

or

“Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Jesus as God?”

Is there some reason that Protestants should not view marriage as sacred because of their separation from us? As dconklin said, Protestants don’t disagree with us on everything.

 

[a83192]

One might also ask:

“Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Scripture as sacred?”

or

“Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view God as a Trinity?”

or

“Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Jesus as God?”

Is there some reason that Protestants should not view marriage as sacred because of their separation from us? As dconklin said, Protestants don’t disagree with us on everything.

you are right they accept the Bible OUR CATHOLIC BIBLE!!! they are very choosy.

 

[TimothyH]

Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Marriage as sacred?

For example, the puritans imposed capital punishment for adultery. They said that the wife should obey the husband. Fornication was a grievous offense.

Why is it that virulently anti Catholic Protestants consider Marriage as sacred?

this has puzzled me.

Capital punishment for adultery is exactly what the Jews did in the Old Testament. Jesus corrected that view of marriage in the Sermon on the Mount and other places in scripture.

If the puritans treated adultery as a captial crime, they did so in direct violation of Jesus’ commands to forgive. Forgiving your wife or husband and working toward recociliation and healing is sacred treatment of the indissoluble marriage. Wishing death upon your spouse is hardly viewing marriage as sacred.

-Tim-

 

[jonbhorton]

Capital punishment for adultery is exactly what the Jews did in the Old Testament. Jesus corrected that view of marriage in the Sermon on the Mount and other places in scripture.

If the puritans treated adultery as a captial crime, they did so in direct violation of Jesus’ commands to forgive. Forgiving your wife or husband and working toward recociliation and healing is sacred treatment of the indissoluble marriage. Wishing death upon your spouse is hardly viewing marriage as sacred.

-Tim-

here’s just one example that is not exactly so clear cut: eyewitnesstohistory.com/adultery.htm

More evidence that the death penalty was the most severe and least common action:
digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=674

This provides more understanding on why the entire community took interest in adultery and demanded satisfaction of their covenant being broken:
digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=675

Based on the bare bones of your argument: we shouldn’t have a legal system, jail, execution, or anything else outside of some sort of theocracy. That’s just simply untenable at this juncture. To look back on the Puritans and judge them for enacting their own legal system, is, I think, outside of our modern purview. Given how insignificant the Puritans are today (anyone ever seen a real one?), it’s like arguing over ghosts.

Based on my understanding of the Catholic view of marriage, the woman didn’t exist in a valid marriage to begin with.

To apply Catholic understanding is fine for exposing the Puritan’s failed theology, but does nothing to really understand why they did what they did. In many ways, Puritan society was similar to early Jewish society: small, unknown land, very community focused with ultimate focus on God.

Here is a thread on CAF which explores a verse in question which you vaguely alluded to, to back up your argument; it does have more than one facet:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=43870

None of this is to defend the Puritans, nor questions Church teaching, nor the actions of Jesus as recorded in Scripture. It is something to consider though.

 

[HelenRose]

Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Marriage as sacred?

For example, the puritans imposed capital punishment for adultery. They said that the wife should obey the husband. Fornication was a grievous offense.

Why is it that virulently anti Catholic Protestants consider Marriage as sacred?

this has puzzled me.

Could you give me some documents on the teaching of Puritans in regard to adultery being a capital crime? Are there written laws pertaining to this? Who, where and how did this capital punishment take place? Was it a common occurance?

My ancestors where some of the earliest Puritans in America. While reading family documents on these ancestors, I get an different view of how husbands and wives treated one another than the view you have described.

 

[The_Wizard]

Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Marriage as sacred?QUOTE]

My experience with Protestants and their view on marriage is that it is far from sacred, marriage that is, than you make it out to be. Although they hold marrriage in high regard they do little or nothing to condemn divorce and remarriage.

 

[passer_by]

Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Marriage as sacred?

For example, the puritans imposed capital punishment for adultery. They said that the wife should obey the husband. Fornication was a grievous offense.

Why is it that virulently anti Catholic Protestants consider Marriage as sacred?

this has puzzled me.

Just give it more time. With more time, you will see a majority of Protestants then who don’t consider marriage sacred at all. In today’s age, we are already seeing how much and how far the Christianity of Protestantism can erode when it forgets the authority of the Church and Tradition.

I think we should just learn the lesson from the plight of our separated brethren and take measures to not let it happen again (and of course, bring them back to the fullness of the truth).

 

[Luvtosew]

There are many Catholic divorces as well, not just Protestant.
Catholics are sinners just like everyone else.

 

[TrueLight]

you are right they accept the Bible OUR CATHOLIC BIBLE!!! they are very choosy.

Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Marriage as sacred?QUOTE]

My experience with Protestants and their view on marriage is that it is far from sacred, marriage that is, than you make it out to be. Although they hold marrriage in high regard they do little or nothing to condemn divorce and remarriage.

This has been repeated ad nauseum but all Protestant secs/denominations are not the same.

In some denominations, if you get a divorce, you’re pretty much ostracized from your church community.

 

[TimothyH]

This has been repeated ad nauseum but all Protestant secs/denominations are not the same.

In some denominations, if you get a divorce, you’re pretty much ostracized from your church community.

One thing I learned here in the deep South is not to lump all non-Catholic Christians together.

Many Evangelical Christians I know have as much to say about mainstream Protestant denominations as they do Catholicism and see themselves as something altogether different.

From Anglicanism on one side to the “Worship with Wonders” rock-and-roll coffee-bar Church, with Baptists and Methodists and Presbyterians in between, non-Catholic Christianity cuts a wide swath.

-Tim-

-Tim-

 

[TrueLight]

One thing I learned here in the deep South is not to lump all non-Catholic Christians together.

Many Evangelical Christians I know have as much to say about mainstream Protestant denominations as they do Catholicism and see themselves as something altogether different.

From Anglicanism on one side to the “Worship with Wonders” rock-and-roll coffee-bar Church, with Baptists and Methodists and Presbyterians in between, non-Catholic Christianity cuts a wide swath.

-Tim-

-Tim-

Yes Sir.

I remember as an Evangelical being taught that the mainline Christians were liberal.

There was a young woman who was a soloist for our choir. At some point she stopped coming. I heard someone whispering in hushed tones that she had become a Presbyterian.

This was practically seen as leaving the faith, lol.

 

[hn160]

There are many Catholic divorces as well, not just Protestant.
Catholics are sinners just like everyone else.

The LC-MS frowns on divorce but as we are all sinners, it does happen, but which is worse, a sham marriage where the wife lives upstairs and the husband lives downstairs in the basement with duplicate facilities so that they never meet? I have seen this happen.

 

[Kristin234]

Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Marriage as sacred?

For example, the puritans imposed capital punishment for adultery. They said that the wife should obey the husband. Fornication was a grievous offense.

Why is it that virulently anti Catholic Protestants consider Marriage as sacred?

this has puzzled me.

Why do Protestants view marriage as sacred? I thought the Bible makes it pretty obvious.

Hebrews 13:4:
Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

Ephesians 5:22:
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word

Also, we do not all think that divorce is okay. If a couple wants to divorce what can that denomination, church, pastor, whatever do? Just because a couple gets a divorce does not mean that whatever faith they are practicing condones it. We cannot force two people to stay married because we do not agree with it. Divorce is everywhere. My church does not think divorce is okay and normal. Actually, my pastor refuses to marry someone who has been previously divorced.

I am a strong believer in this verse and I do not believe in divorce…and hey, I am Protestant!
‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

 

[PRmerger]

Why do Protestants view marriage as sacred? I thought the Bible makes it pretty obvious.

Hebrews 13:4:
Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

Ephesians 5:22:
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word

Also, we do not all think that divorce is okay. If a couple wants to divorce what can that denomination, church, pastor, whatever do? Just because a couple gets a divorce does not mean that whatever faith they are practicing condones it. We cannot force two people to stay married because we do not agree with it. Divorce is everywhere. My church does not think divorce is okay and normal. Actually, my pastor refuses to marry someone who has been previously divorced.

I am a strong believer in this verse and I do not believe in divorce…and hey, I am Protestant!
‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Fair enough.

And if a couple wants to be married in your church, will your pastor marry them, even if they’re divorced from their previous spouse?

Everyone knows that in order to be married in a Catholic Church you cannot have been divorced. An annulment is required.

 

[ltwin]

Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Marriage as sacred?

For example, the puritans imposed capital punishment for adultery. They said that the wife should obey the husband. Fornication was a grievous offense.

Why is it that virulently anti Catholic Protestants consider Marriage as sacred?

this has puzzled me.

This argument puzzles me. Protestants rebelled against the CC’s authority so logically there is no reason for them to think that murder is a sin. Catholics have church buildings, so because Protestants rebelled against the CC we shouldn’t have church buildings either. Catholic priests wear clothes, so if Protestant ministers really want to be consistent with their beliefs they should preside over church services in the nude. I mean how far do you want to take this?

 

[onemangang]

This argument puzzles me. Protestants rebelled against the CC’s authority so logically there is no reason for them to think that murder is a sin. Catholics have church buildings, so because Protestants rebelled against the CC we shouldn’t have church buildings either. Catholic priests wear clothes, so if Protestant ministers really want to be consistent with their beliefs they should preside over church services in the nude. I mean how far do you want to take this?

I agree

One could pose the question, Why do any Catholics or non-catholics wear wedding rings, since it was the pagans who started that tradition!

 

[Omar_Gatskill]

Why is it that Protestants, who rebelled against the Catholic Church, view Marriage as sacred?

For example, the puritans imposed capital punishment for adultery. They said that the wife should obey the husband. Fornication was a grievous offense.

Why is it that virulently anti Catholic Protestants consider Marriage as sacred?

this has puzzled me.

Are you serious? This has to be one of the most pompous and arrogant posts I have seen here yet.