Married Baptist Minister becomes a Catholic Priest

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Vocatio;

I was a protestant seminarian before becoming Catholic. One of my professors, an evangelical protestant minister, told us that ,“a few babies were thrown out with the bath water” during the reformation. After speaking with the professor more I scheduled a retreat at the local Benedictine priory. Because I was the only retreatant at that time I asked if there was something I could do (I couldn’t tolerate too much silence in those days) and was assigned to a certain Brother Benno in the kitchen. We washed dishes and baked bread and then spent most of the night in an old pick-up truck delivering donations to the poorest people in the region.

Brother Benno along with Father Claude the Prior never preched at me, never tried to convert me and never in any way intruded, yet had such a profound effect on my spiritual formation that I still have not, 28 years later, fathomed the depth.

The silent testamony of two men who were simply surrendered to christ could not be answered.

Thank you for your post.

the chancellor
 
courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080825/NEWS01/808250394/1008

Pretty interesting. I thought I’d share this with our Protestant friends. I’ve been hoping for this.
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I thought the reason we accepted Episcopalians was because they think they are doing what we do when we ordain - it was a pastoral thing, because the surface appearance between the two is very similar.

But what is the equivalency (perceived or not) between a Baptist preacher and a Catholic priest? They have almost nothing in common.

I am just trying to understand.
 
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I thought the reason we accepted Episcopalians was because they think they are doing what we do when we ordain - it was a pastoral thing, because the surface appearance between the two is very similar.

But what is the equivalency (perceived or not) between a Baptist preacher and a Catholic priest? They have almost nothing in common.

I am just trying to understand.
The article implies (but doesn’t state) that the Vatican approved it. My guess is it’s one of those dispensation things. It’s not the denomination that matters, but recognizing that the minister had a special calling.
 
We have a new married priest in our diocese that was an Episcopal minister. He was recently featured on The Journey Home on EWTN, on 8-4-08

He told how it wasn’t just an automatic thing. He told how he worked with and through our Bishop, and how his educational credentials were verified, so the church would know where there were any gaps in his training, and understanding of the RCC teachings.

Unfortunately, I didn’t get to see the whole program, but I’m sure if he worked through the Bishop, the Archbishop and Vatican weren’t far behind.
 
What’s really interesting about this is the there exists a major disparity of cult between Catholic and Baptist Theology. The fact that he’s a married man and a Baptist, non-apostolic succession type faith. It will be interesting to see where this leads.
 
I think that if I was a young single priest, I would be a little upset with the priest coming in with families and I had take a vow of celibacy.

God Bless!
 
I think that if I was a young single priest, I would be a little upset with the priest coming in with families and I had take a vow of celibacy.

God Bless!
Try being a Catholic man that had a vocation to the priesthood and it got thrown out of kilter by proselytizing fundamentalist and the existing priests I knew wouldn’t help me… I still feel the call. BUt now since I marry the daughter of the Proselytizing Fundamental evenagelist I can no longer consider the priesthood.

Sure, this is a moment of great pause for those of us, men, that found ourselves drawn to the priesthood but couldn’t get past the gag reflexes of what was happening universally across our seminaries. The atmosphere is ripe for the taking…That is the taking away the gift of a celibate priesthood. I think that many Protestants set a good example for us to follow by following their own faith. However, there are far too many unnoticed Catholics that live out their faith exemplary without notice…why…because we are called to be a peaceful people, not a proselytizing people…willing to do and say almost anything to convert someone to my faith. I truly beleive that statistically there are far more Catholics or at least the same statistically living wonderful devout Christian lives in spite of the anti-Catholic rhetoric around us. Some of them are even ignorant…and have practiced obedience to a “TEE”. Praise God for them.

Maybe God is leading the Church back to Orthodoxy…married priesthood like in the East. Many clergy in our history are not only guilty of many mortal sins with sexual scandals but they are guilty of defending their celibate priesthood with the same selfishness. The celebate priesthood is a gift from God. We’ve …both laity and clergy have abused it so much. Women screaming to want to be priests, other men screaming to allow it, men and women breaking vows not only in marriage, but also their vocations…oh my…how sinful we are… But God is in control no matter what we do or say. He is always in control.

It’s a great mystery to me what’s happening, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Latin Church begin to allow married men to be priests one day for more often than we see now. This could turn out to be the eccuminical movement of our time. Surely Protestant clergy run across the truth but get stuck with no way out. It’s freightening and sometimes causes us to lose family. I know…I was baptized Catholic as an infant 14 months old, but mom raised me Protestant because she loathed Catholicism. She rejected the faith while studying it with my dad before I was born. In fact, I moved with my Catholic dad, very traditionalist oriented more conservative than fundamentalists, and I finally received the Eucharist at the age of almost 15. 5 months later I’m living in Baptist country with no car to get to mass which was 30 miles away. Went to the seminary and some really bad things happened to me… The example was horrible. Lots of men that became priests walked away or something. The Church was in utter chaos in the states. No one would educate me no matter how hard I tried to learn. Not everything is easy and makes sense like the fundamentalists try to tell you. Now I’m quite a bible thumper if I want to be. But I don’t do that now, because I finally got hold of the Church Fathers. Read what the real early Christians believed and that the name Katholikos was alive and well back then… So Antioch is known for being the first place where the name Christian was used for us. But it is also the first place we know where the name Catholic was used. It’s a frightening reality for a Protestant to swallow. They reject it out right because their entire faith is called into question…just like mine was by them many years ago about my baptism.

My point is that we need to work towards understand what Catholicism really teaches rather than bashing it at every turn…and I’m talking to the Catholics.
 
Try being a Catholic man that had a vocation to the priesthood and it got thrown out of kilter by proselytizing fundamentalist and the existing priests I knew wouldn’t help me… I still feel the call. BUt now since I marry the daughter of the Proselytizing Fundamental evenagelist I can no longer consider the priesthood.

Sure, this is a moment of great pause for those of us, men, that found ourselves drawn to the priesthood but couldn’t get past the gag reflexes of what was happening universally across our seminaries. The atmosphere is ripe for the taking…That is the taking away the gift of a celibate priesthood. I think that many Protestants set a good example for us to follow by following their own faith. However, there are far too many unnoticed Catholics that live out their faith exemplary without notice…why…because we are called to be a peaceful people, not a proselytizing people…willing to do and say almost anything to convert someone to my faith. I truly beleive that statistically there are far more Catholics or at least the same statistically living wonderful devout Christian lives in spite of the anti-Catholic rhetoric around us. Some of them are even ignorant…and have practiced obedience to a “TEE”. Praise God for them.

Maybe God is leading the Church back to Orthodoxy…married priesthood like in the East. Many clergy in our history are not only guilty of many mortal sins with sexual scandals but they are guilty of defending their celibate priesthood with the same selfishness. The celebate priesthood is a gift from God. We’ve …both laity and clergy have abused it so much. Women screaming to want to be priests, other men screaming to allow it, men and women breaking vows not only in marriage, but also their vocations…oh my…how sinful we are… But God is in control no matter what we do or say. He is always in control.

It’s a great mystery to me what’s happening, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Latin Church begin to allow married men to be priests one day for more often than we see now. This could turn out to be the eccuminical movement of our time. Surely Protestant clergy run across the truth but get stuck with no way out. It’s freightening and sometimes causes us to lose family. I know…I was baptized Catholic as an infant 14 months old, but mom raised me Protestant because she loathed Catholicism. She rejected the faith while studying it with my dad before I was born. In fact, I moved with my Catholic dad, very traditionalist oriented more conservative than fundamentalists, and I finally received the Eucharist at the age of almost 15. 5 months later I’m living in Baptist country with no car to get to mass which was 30 miles away. Went to the seminary and some really bad things happened to me… The example was horrible. Lots of men that became priests walked away or something. The Church was in utter chaos in the states. No one would educate me no matter how hard I tried to learn. Not everything is easy and makes sense like the fundamentalists try to tell you. Now I’m quite a bible thumper if I want to be. But I don’t do that now, because I finally got hold of the Church Fathers. Read what the real early Christians believed and that the name Katholikos was alive and well back then… So Antioch is known for being the first place where the name Christian was used for us. But it is also the first place we know where the name Catholic was used. It’s a frightening reality for a Protestant to swallow. They reject it out right because their entire faith is called into question…just like mine was by them many years ago about my baptism.

My point is that we need to work towards understand what Catholicism really teaches rather than bashing it at every turn…and I’m talking to the Catholics.
Honestly, I think that it is wonderful that the RC is allowing some married priest–hopefully more will be invited to be married priest. I believe that you will find as I have found in my church how wonderful and a blessing it is to have council with someone that is a parent, married, and a priest.

Vocatio,
I am sorry for whatever happened to you in the seminary. I am very happy that you are still strong in your faith.

God Bless!
 
emeraldcoast,
That’s interesting you say that you think it’s a good thing to be able to take counsel with a married clergy. There certainly benefits to that I believe as well. That is partly what the role of the deacon is supposed to be for. The eastern church has plenty of clergy that are married. Statistically speaking married clergy have much more marrital problems because of the 'hours". Celibat clergy are a wonderful tool if they live transformed lives. However, if they do not live out their lives with fear and trembling, transforming their lifes to Christ, then they can be the opposite of good. The same is true about married clergy. Between my wife and I, we have approximately 5 to 6 Bishops (elders or pastors) and Preachers in our family… I was planning on being one myself. But my wife couldn’t handle living in a fish bowl so I put if off several times. I had a scholarship to finish a Masters of Divinity at ACU…but chose not to pursue it for my wife’s sake. My wife is my first vocation. I never stopped believeing that while away from the Catholic Church. I know of several horrible stories if infedelity from my former faith as well. Nothing new under the son. I have great hopes that the Vatican will come to recognize the broken world we live in and the need for a married clergy in part. But the celibate priesthood is a noble one and should be elevated since they give their entire lives to the church. If they pursue it half heartedly, then shame on them like a man that pursues his marriage half heartedly. BTW: My niece and nephew are Episcopalian.
 
Just a reminder that the Catholic Church has always had some married priests, primarily through the Eastern Catholic Churches…
 
emeraldcoast,
That’s interesting you say that you think it’s a good thing to be able to take counsel with a married clergy. There certainly benefits to that I believe as well. That is partly what the role of the deacon is supposed to be for. The eastern church has plenty of clergy that are married. Statistically speaking married clergy have much more marrital problems because of the 'hours". Celibat clergy are a wonderful tool if they live transformed lives. However, if they do not live out their lives with fear and trembling, transforming their lifes to Christ, then they can be the opposite of good. The same is true about married clergy. Between my wife and I, we have approximately 5 to 6 Bishops (elders or pastors) and Preachers in our family… I was planning on being one myself. But my wife couldn’t handle living in a fish bowl so I put if off several times. I had a scholarship to finish a Masters of Divinity at ACU…but chose not to pursue it for my wife’s sake. My wife is my first vocation. I never stopped believeing that while away from the Catholic Church. I know of several horrible stories if infedelity from my former faith as well. Nothing new under the son. I have great hopes that the Vatican will come to recognize the broken world we live in and the need for a married clergy in part. But the celibate priesthood is a noble one and should be elevated since they give their entire lives to the church. If they pursue it half heartedly, then shame on them like a man that pursues his marriage half heartedly. BTW: My niece and nephew are Episcopalian.
Hi Vocatio,

A Catholic Deacon still can not hear Confession, correct? I guess for me having a the person that I take marriage/family advice from is the one that I would also tell my sins to as well. I hope that this makes sense.

I always hear people talk about the long hours that keep the married priest away from their families–very true no doubt. I can sympathize with their sacrifices and am very grateful that they are willing to make them - my husband and I have been apart roughly 80 months out of our 18 year marriage because of his call to serve our county. (“Fish Bowl”…lol…have you ever living on a military base overseas…that is a Fish Bowl!😉 )

As I was reminded by a good friend on the board, we need laity like you also: Faithful to Christ’s call.

Praying for all those that minister to His people!

God Bless!
 
Emeraldcoast, I just now realized you are a woman. Not that it matters. No deacons do not listen to confessions. However, I could and would if asked to by the bishop. But I would have to receive holy orders to the level of a priest to do so.

Yes! I know what it’s like to live in a fish bowl.😉 First, I was in the military overseas before I met my wife. My mission was very high profile with the top brass and so I had to be able to deal with everyone from junior to field grade officers… Can’t do was not an option. But I won’t go into details. However, we did call it a dog and pony show.

I spend time helping my FIL after hours. He ran a business and was a pastor. He was a good man, but he did have very legalistic views. He was poor by our standards, but rich in spirit. I couldn’t say one way or the other about my BIL. But what I can say is that they are tired of helping people and would prefer that they leave them alone.😦 I would have given my all to help…maybe I will get a chance to serve like that again as a returning Catholic.
PAX
 
I think that if I was a young single priest, I would be a little upset with the priest coming in with families and I had take a vow of celibacy.

God Bless!
Neither the Catholic nor Orthodox church allows priests to marry after they are ordained. The Catholic church sometimes (but rarely) ordains married men to the priesthood. It also ordains married deacons. In both cases, should the wife die the priest or deacon agrees not to remarry. The church also ordains widowers. However, any man seeking ordination agrees not to marry after ordination. A rare relaxation of the rule that usually prohibits the ordination of a married man should not upset other priests.
 
His wife and sons remain Baptist, but support him, as do other relatives.
I find this a first. A Catholic Priest’s wife and sons who are Baptists. Hard to fully wrap my brain around that.
 
I find this a first. A Catholic Priest’s wife and sons who are Baptists. Hard to fully wrap my brain around that.
Same here. I asked about becoming a deacon several years ago with an anti-Catholic wife. Funny isn’t it.😊 I knew that it wasn’t likely but it was a fair question. Now my wife is very Catholic. God works in mysterious ways. It seems that this trend is opening up doors, but only time will tell.
 
I think that if I was a young single priest, I would be a little upset with the priest coming in with families and I had take a vow of celibacy.

God Bless!
Why? A young priest in the prime of his life willingly takes his vows because of his deep love of God and the Church - not because he is forced to. But a veteran priest who may be struggling with his vow of celibacy could be demoralized on account of this and be targeted even more fiercely by the devil in his weakness. This is my greatest concern.

PAX :harp:
 
Why? A young priest in the prime of his life willingly takes his vows because of his deep love of God and the Church - not because he is forced to. But a veteran priest who may be struggling with his vow of celibacy could be demoralized on account of this and be targeted even more fiercely by the devil in his weakness. This is my greatest concern.

PAX :harp:
Someone can tell me that I missed the boat on this one, but would not being able to have a family be one of the main reasons that men do not become priest? I think that the Catholic Church is missing out on many young men in their “prime of their life” because of this requirement. I think that it is wonderful that widowers are able to have the best of being a husband, father, grandfather and then being a priest. Too bad they have to wait for their spouse to die to follow their calling…😦

God Bless!
 
Why? A young priest in the prime of his life willingly takes his vows because of his deep love of God and the Church - not because he is forced to. But a veteran priest who may be struggling with his vow of celibacy could be demoralized on account of this and be targeted even more fiercely by the devil in his weakness. This is my greatest concern.

PAX :harp:
I certainly understand your concern and share the same. However, we are to be obedient to the Church, not our own pride. We need to try to see where the Vatican is taking this. I personally believe, erroniously probabaly, that there is some wisdom in moving towards more married men in the priesthood, maybe not to the same level as in the Eatern Church but enough to help return to times of more traditional times considering the Eastern and Western Churches need for unification. My opinion is just that…an opinion. Having been a seminarian however, and witnessing some of the need for more orthodoxy in our seminaries I’m convinced of this move is a good move. It must be gradual for the sake of folks like you and the clergy. There are many priests that feel the same way. However, there are those that have made the sacrifice and may be tempted to fall away…feel betrayed. That’s why it must be done slowly over generations I believe. It appears that the restoration of the permanent diaconate was the first steps in that direction. Now the “Pastoral Provision” and now a former evangelical preacher. This is really big. It exposes at least what one bishop believes. A man can feel called to both marriage and clerical ministry. I do. The question is “will God open the door”? My response is whatever your will is for me Lord. I’d love to be ordained a priest at least on my death bed.
 
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