Married Preists? How do I answer

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She challenged me, “Show me in the bible where it says a priest cannot marry.” I want to defend my faith.
You cannot show her because the bible does not say it.

There is no doctrine of priestly celibacy.

Jesus and Paul both recommend celibacy for the sake of the Kingdom. They don’t require it.

The celibacy requirement is a discipline, a rule, not a doctrine.
How do I sit there and explain, “Well, in this Catholic tradition it is accepted, but in this one it is not.” Doesn’t that make us seem wishy washy?
No, it doesn’t make it wishy-washy. It means that the various Rites are able to decide the best way to live out their spirituality and their vocation.
Aaargh!! I do not expect to be spoonfed the faith. I do not know the nitty gritty like you all do. All I know is I love the Eucharist and what that stands for. I can defend that.
That’s great.

If you should want to learn more about the discipline of celibacy and it’s history in the Church pick up a book in your local Catholic bookstore. Or, go to www.catholic.com (CA’s main website) and do a search on “priesetly celibacy”. There are numerous articles.
 
You’re missing the point here. Catholicism isn’t merely the Latin Church. It’s a communion of 22 different Churches, each with their own discipline. Catholicism has both celibate and married Priests.
I am speaking for my Latin Catholic, and I simply don’t agree with allowing priest to get married.
 
Really? After working all those hours they get to go home to an empty, lonely place - sounds like a recipe for a lot more problems than they would have if married.
you think as a flesh think. When a priest comes home, he can have all this time thinking of Jesus.

Some of you seem to ignore these passages pretty well.
You can go ahead and complain to St. Paul 😉

1 Corinthians 7:31-34

31 And they that use this world, as if they used it not: for the fashion of this world passeth away. 32 But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. 33 But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. 34 And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

1 Corinthians 7:37
37 For he that hath determined being steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but having power of his own will; and hath judged this in his heart, to keep his virgin, doth well.
 
you think as a flesh think. When a priest comes home, he can have all this time thinking of Jesus.

Some of you seem to ignore these passages pretty well.
You can go ahead and complain to St. Paul 😉

1 Corinthians 7:31-34

31 And they that use this world, as if they used it not: for the fashion of this world passeth away. 32 But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. 33 But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. 34 And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

1 Corinthians 7:37
37 For he that hath determined being steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but having power of his own will; and hath judged this in his heart, to keep his virgin, doth well.
We are Catholics and playing this Bible quote game does not work very well especially when the Church has spoken and said that secular priestly celibacy is a discipline. For it to be anything but a discipline would mean that there would be no married men ordained to the priesthood which is not true as the Byzantine Catholic Churches do so and the pope has granted many dispensations from the discipline in the Latin Church so that married converts can be ordained.

Here is verse from Titus that appears to be saying that all priests should be married and if you have trouble with it you can complain to St Paul too.

Titus 1
5 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you,

6 namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion.
 
You can’t compare any job to a priest’s job.
Sure, an attorney can work more hours than a priest, but does an attorney’s job always involve in bringing people to Jesus.
I didn’t compare a priest’s job to any other job. You started this by saying that if a priest was married, he would not have time either for the family or for his ministry. I simply pointed out that such a statment is based more on the thinking that having a job(your words), or a ministry (in terms of the priest) or a profession (my words) applies to a lot of people who have much more than a 40 hour week.

The point I was making, since you did not understand my post, is that people can be married and have a very demanding job(your words), ministry (the priest) or profession (my words). The Church has survived for 2000 years with a married clergy. Is it optimal? I would suspect that most people who have a more than 40 hour a week job/ministry/profession would tell you it is not optimal. But then, people continue to manage it. There are Catholic married priests in the Roman rite, and ministers in Protestant Churches who will tell you that it puts a strain on them and their family; but then, so will anyone who works more than 40 hours. That is not a reason to prevent married men from being ordained. Further, Vatican 2 brought back the permanent deaconite, and as more of them are available for parish work, more of the load will be lifted off the priest as he delegates his work load.
A priest has few thousands of souls to take care of.
When you become a priest, your family is your parish. You’re “married” to the parish.
Which is about the level of a slap in the face to the many married clergy in the Eastern rites, and not particularly responsive to the issue.
Doesn’t the Bible say “a virgin does better than a married man”?
Which doesn’t mean that it is mandatory. As I noted above, both married clergy - Roman rite Catholics and Protestant, as well as numerous individuals who work more than 40 hour weeks would tell you the additional time stresses them and families. When Paul says that it is better, he doesn’t say it is mandatory but rather the preferred option.

I would not ever anticipate, should the Church change its rule for the Western rite, that married priests would ever make up the majority.
32 But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. 33 But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. 34 And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how she may please her husband.
Considering that the Church through Christ has raised up marriage to the level of one of the 7 Sacraments, and treats it, as well as priesthood, as a vocation, I would say that Paul was making a point about priesthood, but doing so by poor-mouthing marriage. She that thinketh on pleasing her husband is doing the work of Christ. Again, Paul is not making celibacy mandatory. Had he done so, it is entirely possbile the Church would no longer exist, as it does so only as we follow God’s command to be fruitful and multiply, and last time I checked, celibacy was not producing too many children.
37 For he that hath determined being steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but having power of his own will; and hath judged this in his heart, to keep his virgin, doth well.
Again, not particularly responsive.
 
I am speaking for my Latin Catholic, and I simply don’t agree with allowing priest to get married.
No Church allows priests to get married.

But some allow married men to become priests, do you see the difference?

Once a man enters into Holy Orders, he cannot Marry and retain his Office.

But a man who is already married, MAY enter into Holy Orders.

That is the only point for debate in the Catholic Church, if married men are to be regularly admitted into the Priesthood.

The issue of single priests entering into marriage IS closed. They cannot do so and still function as a priest.
 
I’m all in favor of having a married clergy. It has a sound basis in scripture and tradition. This does NOT, however, mean that I want to abolish the celibate clergy. We will always have a celibate clergy at least as long as there are religious orders of priests. Nor does it mean that I am in favor of allowing priests to marry. The current rules in rites which have a married clergy should apply also the the Latin rite. The candidate may be married before taking orders (beginning, if I remember correctly, with the deaconate) but may not marry after ordination. Further, if he is widowed, he may not remarry.
In commenting on the story of the feeding of the multitude, John, Cardinal Deardon (late of Detroit) remarked that the people were divided into groups of fifty families because that is about the right number to be served by one priest. Can you imagine a church in which we have a priest for each fifty families?? Right now it’s running to around 1500 families. Can you imagine having that many celibate vocations? At the best of times we never had that many priests. I can’t see that we’ll ever get that kind of priest to faithful ratio without a married clergy. But if we had that kind of a ratio, I am certain that the priests would have time and energy to serve the congregation and take care of his family without undue strain.
No, Ben’t XVI is not going to yield to the pressures of the faithful and institute a relaxation of the discipline. It’s something we’ll just have to pray for and wait.

Matthew
 
. Can you imagine a church in which we have a priest for each fifty families?? Right now it’s running to around 1500 families. Can you imagine having that many celibate vocations? At the best of times we never had that many priests. I can’t see that we’ll ever get that kind of priest to faithful ratio without a married clergy.
Sure you can, it would involve dropping a lot of modern sacred cows, such as altar girls.

Our parish of 800 families has 6 men in the semniary right now, and has had 6 men ordained from our parish in the last 10 years.

If each parish had that ratio, where would we be in 10 years?

Of course, we do things a little differently here. Every boy in the parish from 5 years old until their teens are invited into the altar boy cadre, with an expectation that they will join. Father will accept boys as young as 3 years old, if they are well behaved. I know very few boys in our parish that are NOT part of the altar boy cadre.

Every altarboy who is present at a Mass serves at that Mass ( we will have several dozen servers at the Sunday Morning Masses). No schedules, If you are there, you serve. simple.

Unconventional, certainly, but it produces vocations, there is little doubt of that!!
 
I just want to add a response to L. Cleary who posted that a married man would not have the time to run a parish and be a good husband and parent. Priests should not have to “run a parish.” The day to day business administration of a parish belongs to the layity, not the clergy. The clergy are there to pray with us, administer the sacraments, visit the sick, counsel the distressed (mostly refering them to other more qualified professionals), etc.
They are not trained in business administration and it is most unfair of the faithful to expect that they shoulder a burden for which they have not been prepared.
The corporate structure of the Church is in serious need of readjustment in this area.

Matthew
 
Priests should not have to “run a parish.” **The day to day business administration of a parish belongs to the layity, not the clergy. ** .

Matthew
Where do you find THAT in any Church document??

Or did you just make it up on your own?
 
a priest nowadays can spend more than 50 hours per week working. Imagine if he gets married and has kids, how many hours do you think he productively spends for his parish.

It only creates more problems if priests get married.
I’m not sure that is a valid answer – I know LOTS of men (and women) who are married and work jobs that they are on all 24 hours a days. Often working more than 50 hours a week. They are called “I/T guys”

The same for protestant ministers. Some of them hold down full time jobs, AND are ministers.

Yes, it would create a new set of problems for Catholic priests, but these are problems the rest of the world has been dealing with for years.

I would love it if my priest where married…when I go to him for ‘life’ advise, I think he would be much better prepared to answer it if he experienced the same trials and tribulations I do as a married man.

Also, I thought I heard it said some where that if a married minister in another Christian religion converts to Catholicism, his ordination is still valid and he could speak from the pulpit, hear confessions, and perform marriage ceremonies? Isn’t that essential duties of a priest?
 
I don’t think that this is a good argument against married priests. I worked 60-70 hours as a United Methodist minister, was married and had children. It wasn’t ideal but neither is working that many hours and not being married…but I did it.

CDL
Personally I don’t think having married priests is against Catholic doctrine, but didn’t Christ ask His Apostles to leave their families and come follow Him?

Having said that, I don’t think it’s realistic in today’s world to force fathers to leave their families. Better, though, to recruit from the single ranks in keeping with the spirit of apostlic succession.
 
you think as a flesh think. When a priest comes home, he can have all this time thinking of Jesus.
You obviously don’t know many priests. I suspect you would be horrified to see them at a ball game or at the beach.

And if you want to quote Paul, I am not sure that you can show he was talking to priests in his missive, but to all the Christian community at Corinth; thus your comments are not incisive.

By the way, the 40 hour work week is mostly a thing of the recent past, having pretty much become standardized after World War 2. In the 19th century, the work week was 6 to 7 days, 12 to 16 hours. For everybody, pretty much. Even priests don’t work those hours.
 
Personally I don’t think having married priests is against Catholic doctrine, but didn’t Christ ask His Apostles to leave their families and come follow Him?

Having said that, I don’t think it’s realistic in today’s world to force fathers to leave their families. Better, though, to recruit from the single ranks in keeping with the spirit of apostlic succession.
As a matter of fact, Christ did ask that; however, the bishops are the ones who are in Apostolic Succession; not the priests. And in the Easten rites, which allow married men to be ordained, the bishops are chosen from the ranks of those priests who are celibate.
 
This is not directly answering the question, but neither are half of the responses:D

We have a married priest in our parish. He is awesome. He was the product of JPII. When he allowed married episcopalian clergy to become ordained Catholic priests. If I remember correctly, mostly due to the schism the Episcopalian church is going through.

He has a chiuld in high school and one in college. He is pulled in a thousand different directions and it is hard to get a hold of him. But as a priest, he is one of the most holy and pious men I have met. I am all for priestly celibacy, but I have to say…I am glad he is in our parish. I do not forsee the vatican allowing this to happen again in the near future, but he is an ordained priest and I support him 100%.
 
Could Rome allow this? Of course. However it’s extremely unlikely. It won’t solve anything, and would create new problems.
What Rome could (and does, in the above-mentioned circumstances) allow is for married men to be ordained. What is not allowed is for ordained priests to later marry.

In the Eastern Rites (Catholic and Orthodox), married men may be ordained to the priesthood. But, bishops are drawn from among the celibate, not from among the married (at least, I know this to be true for Greek Orthodox, I assume it to be true for Eastern Rite Catholic as well)
 
I think I and some of those who had responded to my posts are on different page. I understand it is a discipline, and my post is to support the discipline while some of you said it is better for a priest to be married.

I am simply trying to support this : If someone wants to become a priest, then he cannot get married.

If I couldn’t make myself any clearer, then I am sorry. You just have to put up with me on this. 😃
 
That is the only point for debate in the Catholic Church, if married men are to be regularly admitted into the Priesthood.

The issue of single priests entering into marriage IS closed. They cannot do so and still function as a priest.
Yes, but the OP asked “She asked if I thought that the church would ever allow Priests to be married and”

that is the reason I repsonded to this whole thread that Priest can’t get married.

Others kept telling me this is offensive towards the “already married” priest.

We are talking about two different issues here.
 
Also, I thought I heard it said some where that if a married minister in another Christian religion converts to Catholicism, his ordination is still valid and he could speak from the pulpit, hear confessions, and perform marriage ceremonies? Isn’t that essential duties of a priest?
I suspect that either you mis-heard, or the person speaking was mis-informed.

It is not an automatic that a minister who converts will be allowed to be ordained.

Most of the ordinations have come from the Anglican/Episcopalian Church, then the Methodists and Lutherans. As far as I know, there has only been one Presbyterian; he is in my archdiocese, and was brought in by then Archbishop and now Cardinal Levada, who had to petition Rome (and if I recall correctly, the answer was not immediately forthcoming).

I do not know if each one has to be approved by Rome; however, they ahve to go through seminary training, and they have to be approved by the bishop (just as any other candidate does). So it is no utomatic in any way. Just converting is no guarantee they will become a priest. While the process may not be as long as someone who is not married and was not a minister, it does take time.
 
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