Married priests/deacons

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I heard that an eastern rite priest can be married before his ordination and a married man can still become a permanent deacon. Why is it allowed for the east and not acceptable for the west? Is there a possibility that the Latin church will adopt this custom of the east?:highprayer:
 
I heard that an eastern rite priest can be married before his ordination and a married man can still become a permanent deacon. Why is it allowed for the east and not acceptable for the west? Is there a possibility that the Latin church will adopt this custom of the east?:highprayer:
Married priesthood is the tradition of the East. It was at one time allowed in the West, but throughout the years, I believe celibacy was preferred for various reasons. It was often easier to transfer priests who didn’t have families to take care of and it was easier to be a missionary if you were single. There was also the issue of leaving Church property to your wife and children.

i highly doubt the Latin Church will change it’s discipline. There isn’t much reason to it…it most likely will NOT increase vocations…the Eastern churches are also experiencing a vocation crisis.
 
Thanks for sharing:)
How about if a man wants to become a priest and family man, can he just join the eastern rite? How is this possible?
 
Thanks for sharing:)
How about if a man wants to become a priest and family man, can he just join the eastern rite? How is this possible?
no prob 🙂

it is possible for this to occur but highly unlikely that it would…in order to transfer sui iuris churches, one must be active in the new church for usually at least 1 year sometimes more depending on the particular church. Then the man would have to spend additional time, usually 5-10 years of study and participation… this might include seminary but that might be after. One is only allowed to transfer churches for legitimate reasons; usually attraction to the traditions and theology of the East (not just the married priesthood part) or b/c you are getting married to someone who is Eastern.

There is also the issue of how the wife would respond to this. If i’m not mistaken, the wife’s permission is usually required. It places strain on her and there is come celibacy required before celebrating the Eucharist…usually the Eastern Churches don’t have Divine Liturgy daily like the West has daily Mass.
 
I heard that an eastern rite priest can be married before his ordination and a married man can still become a permanent deacon. Why is it allowed for the east and not acceptable for the west? Is there a possibility that the Latin church will adopt this custom of the east?:highprayer:
In the west, there are married permanent deacons. I believe the majority of permanent deacons in the USA are married men, who also hold secular careers.
 
I heard that an eastern rite priest can be married before his ordination and a married man can still become a permanent deacon. Why is it allowed for the east and not acceptable for the west? Is there a possibility that the Latin church will adopt this custom of the east?:highprayer:
The celibate Priest is a discipline not a dogma. There has always been some married Priest usually Eastern married Priest who converted to western (Roman) Catholicism. All holy orders (priest, deacon) block the sacrament of matrimony so once ordained no marriage. Exactly how this will work concerning married Catholics choosing Anglican priesthood and then reverting back to Roman Catholics is a bit unknown.
 
Before I became Catholic, I thought it was unfair that those who would be in the Latin Rite would have to be celibate in order to be a priest. However, that was a very short-sighted position I took.

First, let’s keep in mind that it is the Western Church which practices celibacy that permits married priests in Eastern Churches. So, it’s kind of hard to claim an injustice when we are putting a restriction on ourselves!

Allowing different disciplines for true, organic cultural differences is a wonderful witness to the universal and generous nature of the Church. I also remember Christ’s words to Peter when the first pope asked how John’s late life would go.

‘If I will him to live until I come, what is that to you? Follow me.’

Sometimes the best answer really is ‘because I said so.’ Let’s try to appreciate why our priests are celibate; I think even Eastern Catholics and the Orthodox will acknowledge that there are many benefits to a celibate priest.

I think there is a tendency for Latin Rite priests to be less tied down to one place and therefore mobility is very important. I consider this a cultural difference we have with our Eastern friends.

Now would probably be the worst time to open the priesthood to married men. Liberals would pick marginal candidates to keep their ideology alive. Also, parishes are financially burdened to a great degree already. A married priesthood means that priests would have to earn several times more than what they currently receive.

Of course I think that it is extremely hard to fully dedicate one’s life to a flock and fully dedicate one’s life to a wife and children. And that is reason enough for me to accept the status quo.
 
When speaking of celibacy, I believe that we have to think in spiritual terms to really understand it, because it helps us understand how celibacy came into existence in the Catholic Church, East and West and why it became so valued in the West.

Let us remember that celibacy predates Christianity. It existed in Judaism and in pagan religions as well. The fact that it was a highly valued jewel among people of all faiths, even pagan faiths, raises a very basic question, could it be possible that celibacy came from the voice of God speaking to believers and non-believers? If so, what is it that God was trying to say.

Along come John the Baptist, the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ, all celibate. Jesus spoke of the eunuchs. He specifically mentions those who become eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom. He was referring to those who embraced a celibate life for the sake of the kingdom. Among them was the Beloved Disciple, John. We know that John never married. Then comes Paul. He never married. He also reminds widows of the special grace that they have received to remain widows. He reminds the early Christians of the special place that perpetual virginity has in the Christian community. He concludes his discourses on celibacy by saying that those who cannot live a celibate life should marry to avoid the sins of the flesh.

In the scriptures and the early Church we already see the beginning of a celibate life. These people who embraced this life were not religious. Cenobites and anchorites arrive on the scene after the Apostles. These were the first groups that could properly be called religious communities. The gradually gathered in the desert to live in hermitages and later in monasteries around Albert, Benedict and Basil, in particular. But there were deacons and presbyters who did not join the hermits and the monks. They remained in the city. These were the first secular priests. They did not consecrate their lives to follow a rule, to live in constant prayer, to follow an austere plan of life or to obey an abbot or prior. They remained in the city around the local bishop. They promised their obedience to the local bishop.

By the end of the first millennium, there were many clerics (deacons and priests) who were not hermits or monks (religious), but lived a celibate life. Most of them lived in the Roman Church. We can see the beginning of a secular celibate priesthood in the Roman Church, which had not evolved in the Eastern Church, where the large majority of celibate men were part of monastic communities (religious).

What we’re seeing here is the development of two different traditions in two different hemispheres. In the East the celibate life was embraced as a form of consecration by those who consecrated their lives to live in a monastic community with other brothers. In the West it took two forms. Among religious who consecrated their lives to live as hermits, monks, friars and apostolic religious celibacy was embraced as part of a way of life. It liberated men and women to be one with each other, with the Church and with Christ, without any other attachment in this world. They understood that celibacy was not just a discipline, but it was an anticipation of life in heaven, where men and women are not given to each other in marriage. The religious community becomes a prototype of heaven on earth.

But it took another form too. Those men who were deacons, priests and bishops, but did not feel called to consecrate their lives in a community found that celibacy, as a discipline, liberated them from the duties of marriage to be itinerant pastors. They were not religious. They retained their secular lives, meaning that they had money, they had titles, and they governed themselves. They also had their families and many of them lived with their families. Some served the people as priests and also fulfilled civic duties as Lords in feudal societies. Gradually, they attached themselves to bishops by promising obedience to the local bishop. As we can see, this was the development of what we call today diocesan priests.

Along with these celibate men who were ordained, but not consecrated religious, there were other men who were ordained, but were married. But gradually the number of married deacons and priests dwindled in the West. The tradition was well grounded in the Western Church, unlike the Eastern Church where celibacy was not found among those who were secular deacons and priests.

We have to stop here and notice that the bishops of the East and West had abandoned marriage very early in the Church. It came to pass that no married men were ever ordained bishops in either the East and West. This happened by the second century. The celibate deacons and priests took longer to become entrenched in the Western Church. We have to notice then that celibacy was a discipline for the secular clergy, that was freely embraced by them. By the time the Church establishes as a law, it was already in practice.

There was also celibacy as a form of consecration to the common life embraced by religious. Today, when we are discussing celibacy, we have to recall the history. It was not something that the Church pulled out of a pope’s mitre. In fact, by the time the papacy recognized it, it was just a matter of making official something that was already part of our Church.

Therefore, we can’t be too quick to throw our celibacy in the Western Church, because it’s part of our heritage, where it’s not part of the Eastern Catholic heritage among the secular clergy. That’s why their married men can be ordained and our married men are not ordained to the priesthood.

I hope this helps.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
In my diocese I believe the wives of men preparing for the deaconate are involved in the preparation.
 
In my diocese I believe the wives of men preparing for the deaconate are involved in the preparation.
I thought that was the norm – don’t the wives have to consent to their husbands being ordained?
 
I thought that was the norm – don’t the wives have to consent to their husbands being ordained?
The answer to the question is yes. When a married candidate approaches for ordination, his wife must consent. This is true for both deacons and priests in the East and West. If the wife does not consent the bishop cannot call a man to Holy Orders.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
In my diocese I believe the wives of men preparing for the deaconate are involved in the preparation.
The wives, at least in our diocese, do not have to be involved in the preparation except for maybe attendance at a few days of reflection a year. When my husband was in formation I could have attended his classes but I chose to begin working on my masters degree in theology. The men did not get, at that time, graduate credit for their course work. I figured if I was going to sit in on classes I should get something out of it, so I went the MA route. Funny, 14 years after ordination, my husband will be getting his MA in Pastoral Studies come May. He went back for the degree three years ago. Now in our diocese the men preparing for the diaconate have the option of getting the degree, but less than half of the candidates do take that route.
 
The wives, at least in our diocese, do not have to be involved in the preparation except for maybe attendance at a few days of reflection a year. When my husband was in formation I could have attended his classes but I chose to begin working on my masters degree in theology. The men did not get, at that time, graduate credit for their course work. I figured if I was going to sit in on classes I should get something out of it, so I went the MA route. Funny, 14 years after ordination, my husband will be getting his MA in Pastoral Studies come May. He went back for the degree three years ago. Now in our diocese the men preparing for the diaconate have the option of getting the degree, but less than half of the candidates do take that route.
Canon law does not require that clerics get a degree. They must do the coursework. Only religious brothers must have a theological degree, not deacons and priests. But that’s because the religious orders require that the brothers have an MA or higher. In my community that brothers must have a PhD, STD, DD, D.Div, D.Min, M.D, JD or some other D. LOL

But diocesan deacons and diocesan priests need not have any degree as long as they have all of the course work. In fact, they do have the degree, they just don’t have the piece of paper. If a priest is part of a religoius order, then he must have whatever degree his order requires.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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