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Say the new priest at your Roman parish turned out to be a bi-ritual eastern Catholic or a former protestant minister who converted and was subsequently ordained a Catholic priest. . . and, as such, is a validly married man and a priest-- with children – how would you react to him?
 
No differently than any other priest that was assigned to my parish.

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kaygee:
Say the new priest at your Roman parish turned out to be a bi-ritual eastern Catholic or a former protestant minister who converted and was subsequently ordained a Catholic priest. . . and, as such, is a validly married man and a priest-- with children – how would you react to him?
Like he was a validly ordained priest.
 
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kaygee:
Say the new priest at your Roman parish turned out to be a bi-ritual eastern Catholic or a former protestant minister who converted and was subsequently ordained a Catholic priest. . . and, as such, is a validly married man and a priest-- with children – how would you react to him?
Well, as a bi-ritual deacon I work with many married priests. I see no difference between them and the celibate priests.

Deacon Ed
 
Like any other priest.

A side thought, as celibacy is canon law and changeable I think we will go down the married priests route, though It will be my great grandchildren who’ll see it…:hmmm:
 
One of the priests in my parish is married, and has 2 boys. One of them serves at the altar. He is from Ukraine.
 
Many parishes today have trouble paying the current bills. What would they do if a Priest needing to earn 45K and Benefits to support a family was added?

I knew an Order priest who received a place to live ( Two bedroom house) and a housekeeper, Small car, Food and supplies maybe $200 (many invited him to join them for dinner several days a week), Prersonal stipend $200. His clothes were also provided by certain people in the parish. Could a family be supported on this arrangement? I don’t think so.

I would support a effort to attract and train Widowers and men retired from professions with grown children. With pensions, SS, providing most of their personal income
 
Br. Rich SFO:
Many parishes today have trouble paying the current bills. What would they do if a Priest needing to earn 45K and Benefits to support a family was added?

I knew an Order priest who received a place to live ( Two bedroom house) and a housekeeper, Small car, Food and supplies maybe $200 (many invited him to join them for dinner several days a week), Prersonal stipend $200. His clothes were also provided by certain people in the parish. Could a family be supported on this arrangement? I don’t think so.
How about dropping the housekeeper, allowing the family exclusive use of the Rectory, perhaps dropping the lawn service (kid power works wonders), wife does parish or diocesan secretarial work or works outside the home to bring in needed income, pastor’s family (and other low-income parish families) get “dibs” on rummage sale items, pastor’s kids get free tuition at parish school. . . other creative arrangements can be made – ???
 
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kaygee:
How about dropping the housekeeper, allowing the family exclusive use of the Rectory, perhaps dropping the lawn service (kid power works wonders), wife does parish or diocesan secretarial work or works outside the home to bring in needed income, pastor’s family (and other low-income parish families) get “dibs” on rummage sale items, pastor’s kids get free tuition at parish school. . . other creative arrangements can be made – ???
Sounds like that could work. I really wish it might. However I think that many would find saving for college, Disney vacations, kids wanting name brand clothes, lets not forget the car for the teenagers, and other trappings of the world that might sneak in.

I could see this working for a childless couple. A couple that can’t have children.
 
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kaygee:
Say the new priest at your Roman parish turned out to be a bi-ritual eastern Catholic or a former protestant minister who converted and was subsequently ordained a Catholic priest. . . and, as such, is a validly married man and a priest-- with children – how would you react to him?
As overworked as our pastor is, I would react to him as a gift from God!
 
Br. Rich saith: “Sounds like that could work. I really wish it might. However I think that many would find saving for college, Disney vacations, kids wanting name brand clothes, lets not forget the car for the teenagers, and other trappings of the world that might sneak in.”

I responde: For the ministry of Priesthood, especially for a married Priest, the ministry to some degree will extend to the rest of the family. And it would have to be remembered that Priests are poor (generally) and as such, live with out the extraneous **** (parodon the crassness, but it is the nicest word i could think of). I am young (23) and i did not have any of that, nor did my wife, nor my closest friends. He had to work for anything we wanted that was not a necessity (provided for basic functions of life). At any rate, the family is a mirror of the Trinity and of the Church-each family is to be a domestic Church and be true reflections of Christ and the Church. And a Priest’s family would need to try to model this as best as possible. Of course, if a just salary for the priest is a concern (and in many places it is, even for celebates), then we must keep in mind that Catholics are notorious for not tithing (the Protestants overall don’t seem to have problems supporting married ministers). There is a problem there that probabaly ought to be rectified.

In Christ,
Adam
 
So Deacon Ed, how do the finances come into play in Eastern Catholic parishes? Do the priests work other jobs or does the Church pay a salary which can support a typical family?

I have often wondered if the reason that daily Mass is not the norm in some Eastern traditions is because of married clergy.

Do Latin Catholics expect more or less time from their pastors than Eastern Catholics?
 
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Lurch104:
As overworked as our pastor is, I would react to him as a gift from God!
Isn’t that the key to the whole issue? It’s almost impossible for most diocesan priests to properly serve their congregations under ideal situations. One cannot expect a married man with his own family to meet both his family’s expectations and his church’s needs. Being a priest is a 24 hour/day job. Maybe more.

To answer the direct question - I would treat him no differently.
 
I think that the whole point about celibacy is lost. It isn’t a cumbersome imposition arbitrarily placed on priests. It isn’t a reason to pity them. It is a beautiful sacrifice that they offer to God. The fact that marraige is so beautiful makes celibacy that much more of a sacrifice to God and that much more of a cause of rejoicing. The Church views celibacy as a charism, that is a gift from God. As such it should be held up and used for the betterment of the community. The parishoners and laity should rejoice with the clergy in this charism that they have, and not pity them. Use their celibacy to compliment Christian marraiges in the parish.
 
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kaygee:
How about dropping the housekeeper, allowing the family exclusive use of the Rectory, perhaps dropping the lawn service (kid power works wonders), wife does parish or diocesan secretarial work or works outside the home to bring in needed income, pastor’s family (and other low-income parish families) get “dibs” on rummage sale items, pastor’s kids get free tuition at parish school. . . other creative arrangements can be made – ???
I completely agree.

As the only person around here to seems to have served on the Parish Council and the Finance committee in a parish with a married priest, I can tell you that there is ABSOLUTELY NO ADDED EXPENSE in having a married pastor. Our pastor, his wife and all of their kids moved into the rectory. His wife was the parish administrator and drew the same salary that we’d paid the previous person. There was no added expense for health insurance…and in fact it was cheaper because we were only covering 1 family instead of a priest and a family as we’d done previously. The stipend was the same, no lawn service, no housekeeper (that’s what a wife and kids are for…hello!)

The kids went to the parish school for free…just like the kids of all the teachers and other parish employees. Nobody had to save for college because a family living at that level of income qualifies for massive amounts of financial aid. Further, the kids who went to Loyola and DePaul had their tuition remitted by the universities because they were the children of clergy members from within the Archdiocese.

The family lives very well on dad’s “meager” salary and mom’s “better than meager” salary.

Other married priests I’ve known have even had the audacity to have professional women as spouses. GASP! Imagine the shock of a female doctor whose husband converts and impoverishes himself in Catholicism. She didn’t have to change anything except the address on her stationery. In fact, she was kind enough to open a health clinic in the parish and even made housecalls.

I think those who foresee married clergy as a horrid thing and a financial drain are forgetting that we women deserve a whole lot more credit. We can…and do…hold our own in this world.
 
RE: What would we do if we had to pay a living wage? Golly, if we had married priests, just maybe the Church would have to practice the social justice it preaches about so much.
 
One of our curates (assistant priests) was an Anglican priest who was ordained last year as a priest of the Catholic Church. He and his wife ( no children) live in a house next to the presbytery. We treat him no differently to the way we treat our other priests.

Personally speaking, I am a bit uncomfortable about the idea of him having a wife even though she seems very nice. She helps out and doesn’t push herself forward. She assisted him at Benediction after Adoration this morning and I felt a bit uncomfortable with this because there were others who could have done the job. Like some other posters I feel that the discipline of celibacy will change in the future but not until the logistical problems can be worked out. 🙂
 
The problem w/ the argument that it won’t cost anymore for a married priest and his family is that you’re assuming that each parish will have just one priest. My parish is huge, and we need three. In fact, one of the arguments for a married priesthood is that more men will become priests. So then each church that finally has the number of priests it needs (depending on size, naturally), would need 2 or 3 houses, instead of the one rectory where they all currently live together. Some are also insinuating that the wife would work outside the home to help w/ expenses. What if she’s called to be a SAHM? Would she be forced to work, even if it’s w/in the parish (like the aforementioned administrator)? Even if she does work, if they have small children (I’m assuming they’ll have to follow the Church’s teaching on being open to children just like the rest of us), unless she’s in a high paying career, most of her salary will go to child care, so won’t be much help w/ household expenses (I speak from experience. It’s cheaper for me to stay home). I just don’t see how a married priesthood wouldn’t be exorbitantly expensive. Remember, Protestant churches usually only have one pastor, so it’s less expensive for them. Perhaps if Catholics did start to actually tithe (10% at least), it could work. But, sadly, I don’t see that happening, as everybody grumbles when the Church asks for money now (but that’s a whole other topic).
 
Br. Rich SFO:
Many parishes today have trouble paying the current bills. What would they do if a Priest needing to earn 45K and Benefits to support a family was added?

I knew an Order priest who received a place to live ( Two bedroom house) and a housekeeper, Small car, Food and supplies maybe $200 (many invited him to join them for dinner several days a week), Prersonal stipend $200. His clothes were also provided by certain people in the parish. Could a family be supported on this arrangement? I don’t think so.

I would support a effort to attract and train Widowers and men retired from professions with grown children. With pensions, SS, providing most of their personal income
Exactly.
 
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