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MarcusAndreas
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I’ve heard some stuff about these not being permitted by the Bishop of Pittsburgh, and every case has to be approve individually by some official up in the Vatican. Can someone explain the situation?
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Vico
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Read this:
post-gazette.com/pg/10161/1064554-53.stm
Currently the Byzantine Metropolitan See (Pittsburgh) is vacant.
It is possible according to canon law to have married priests, with approval of the Holy See. And there are some in the USA.
CCEO 758
3. The particular law of each Church sui iuris or special norms established by the Apostolic See are to be followed in admitting married men to sacred orders.
Ruthenian Particular Law Canon 758 §3
§1. Married men, after completion of the formation prescribed by law, can be admitted to the order of deacon
§2. Concerning the admission of married men to the order of the presbyterate, the special norms issued by the Apostolic See are to be observed, unless dispensations are granted by the same See in individual cases.
byzcath.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=334
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CarlosBarrera
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Yes, the Byzantine Metropolitan See is currently sedavacante. My cousin is a Ruthenian priest and sometimes he’ll ask me to serve the Divine Liturgy on special occasions or if he needs me for whatever reason. I recently served a “hierarchal ordination” and on of the concelebrating priests was married with four daughters.
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babochka
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Is your cousin Fr. Anthony?
If it was the ordination two weeks ago in San Jose, that was my priest. He is married with four daughters, but he was not ordained in the U.S. He was ordained in Europe and is currently “on loan” for three years, although we’re hoping that will become permanent.
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CarlosBarrera
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Yes, my cousin Father Anthony! Boy it’s a small forum. The priests name was Fr. Francis, right?
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babochka
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Yep. Small world.
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rben20
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I realize this is an old thread but I didn’t want to make a new one to address the same issue. Why is it that the Latin church has a say in the discipline of an Eastern tradition among Eastern Catholics? Isn’t this an example what many Orthodox are afraid of if full communion is achieved one day? I feel that the church should not make married priest such a big issue so much as to make it a “case by case” basis. Why not accept this fully?
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rben20
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Well apparently…this is an American situation only. So weird!
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MorEphrem
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rben, you’re exactly right. In fact, I’m sure many are familiar with the OCA and I’ll just drop it at that.
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WetCatechumen
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We do not have to have Rome’s permission to ordain married men. We can do so if we want. Things are changing.
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TheAdvocate
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I remember when Bishop Isidore Borecky of the Ukrainian Catholic Church ordained a married man to priesthood at the time when it was forbidden in Canada and the U.S. He just ignored Rome and Rome just tolerated it.We do not have to have Rome’s permission to ordain married men. We can do so if we want. Things are changing.
If the Ruthenians want to do it, they should just assert themselves and do it. But only if the Ruthenian bishops are united. What is Rome going to do? Suspend several Ruthenian bishops?
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Aramis
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At a point where there were two Ruthenian Bishops in the World, Rome sentenced one to time in a monastery… and then reassigned him as the Roman Rite Auxiliary Archbishop of Chicago…
So it’s very much not beyond plausibility.
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WetCatechumen
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I have gotten the impression from some Ruthenian clergy that Rome has basically told them, “We will tell you no if you ask, so don’t ask.”
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TheAdvocate
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But that was only one bishop sentenced out of two. Imagine if three or more ordained married men at roughly the same time. No way would they all be sentenced. And they can cite the Ukrainian Catholics…why doesn’t Rome punish them? My married pastor got was ordained right here in the States.
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Aramis
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Cum Data Fuerit applied to the US; at the time, the Ukrainian Metropolia for North America was centered in Canada, and thus not technically subject to it…
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TheAdvocate
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Not at the time my pastor was ordained.
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Aramis
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Only takes 25 years to become Tradition, per canon law…
CDF was never enforced upon the Ukrainian Church. The reason why is that it was a Canadian Metropolia.
There are good reasons why Rome tries to avoid boundaries across national lines when practical.
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Patchunky
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But the reason he was reassigned had nothing to do with ordaining married men to the Holy Priesthood.
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twf
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There still is a Canadian metropolia - the US was originally under the Metropolitan of Winnipeg? When was a separate American metropolia established? As an aside, Winnipeg is the only city I can think of where the Latin Archbishop is not a metropolitan but the Ukrainian archbishop is…Only takes 25 years to become Tradition, per canon law…
CDF was never enforced upon the Ukrainian Church. The reason why is that it was a Canadian Metropolia.
There are good reasons why Rome tries to avoid boundaries across national lines when practical.
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CDB1718
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Because the Ukrainians have a patriarchate. Rome calls it a major archepiscopacy, which canonically means patriarch without the title. Rome doesn’t have jurisdiction over our internal affairs. We also have the Union of Brest which guarantees the retention of married clergy. Pushing the issue would force the recognition of the patriarchate which would cause problems with the Eastern Catholics and the Russian Orthodox, which would weaken the authority over the other Eastern Catholic Churches but more importantly would create a lot of internal instability.
The Roman Catholic bishops in Italy made a new Cum Data Feurit a few years ago for the Romanian Greek-Catholics serving their faithful in Italy, saying they couldn’t even send married priests to serve the faithful. It reads like early US east-west relations, which were not pretty. Going after the Ukrainians publicly on this issue would be a Pandora’s box. The Ruthenians have a metropolitan church that has to answer to a Roman-staffed congregation that also chooses the Ruthenian bishops, so Rome can use that to exert more control over the Ruthenians’ internal affairs.
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