Marrying A Non-catholic

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Hi I am unsure if anyone can give advice, my fiancee and I are getting married in 09, he is non-catholic, divorced twice after being married by a celebrant and has one child (which he will not bring up in catholic religion), I am catholic however I dont go to church etc and if I have children then I will not bring up in church, really Im only getting married in church as my parents believe this is the only way my marriage will be recognised. Any advice anyone? :confused:
 
Why don’t you go to church? :confused:
Also, I would urge yu to at least give your children (present and future) some education on the catholic faith.

PS. Are you planning on baptising any future kids?
 
Hi I am unsure if anyone can give advice, my fiancee and I are getting married in 09, he is non-catholic, divorced twice after being married by a celebrant and has one child (which he will not bring up in catholic religion), I am catholic however I dont go to church etc and if I have children then I will not bring up in church, really Im only getting married in church as my parents believe this is the only way my marriage will be recognised. Any advice anyone? :confused:
Why don’t you want your children in church? Do you think it is wise to subject children to this world without giving them a framework for handling difficults issues. That is what my parents did and I was a pill popping unpleasant atheist.
I am pretty sure you will have quite a few people tell you to go back to church. I would agree of course.
By the way, never ask for advice unless you want to hear things that you will disagree with. Which I hope you are open to!
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Why don’t you go to church? :confused:
Also, I would urge yu to at least give your children (present and future) some education on the catholic faith.

PS. Are you planning on baptising any future kids?
Hi, I am unsure as my partner is not catholic and he is quite against religion, so I guess if we have any children of our own it will be an area of contention. I dont go to church as I believe if your a good person and have an element of sprituality then thats suffice, religion is very private I think…

I am just dont know if it will be recognised as such and if the church will even marry us due to him being divorced twice…I guess the only way to find out is talk to the priest ourselves.
 
Hi I am unsure if anyone can give advice, my fiancee and I are getting married in 09, he is non-catholic, divorced twice after being married by a celebrant and has one child (which he will not bring up in catholic religion), I am catholic however I dont go to church etc and if I have children then I will not bring up in church, really Im only getting married in church as my parents believe this is the only way my marriage will be recognised. Any advice anyone? :confused:
It is quite likely that you and your fiance will not be able to marry in a Catholic ceremony. His previous marriages would have to go through the annulment process. This takes quite a bit of time and patience and the decision could be that he is validly married to another person and not free to marry. Even if he manages to get two annulments you will have to promise to raise children as Catholics in order to marry in the Church, which
would be lying, since you intend to not do that. Apart from all the impediments to a Chuch wedding, your fiance does not have a stellar record with two broken marriages. Why do you think this time it will be any different?
 
It is quite likely that you and your fiance will not be able to marry in a Catholic ceremony. His previous marriages would have to go through the annulment process. This takes quite a bit of time and patience and the decision could be that he is validly married to another person and not free to marry. Even if he manages to get two annulments you will have to promise to raise children as Catholics in order to marry in the Church, which
would be lying, since you intend to not do that. Apart from all the impediments to a Chuch wedding, your fiance does not have a stellar record with two broken marriages. Why do you think this time it will be any different?
Hi, well i guess nothing is for sure except death and taxes…so I guess thats the risk one takes in love. I

assumed he would have to get the marriages annulled, however i thght considering his marriage was in front of a celebrant then it would not be identified by the church as valid?

It seems very stressful and we already have a date set and caterers etc…
 
Hi, well i guess nothing is for sure except death and taxes…so I guess thats the risk one takes in love. I

assumed he would have to get the marriages annulled, however i thght considering his marriage was in front of a celebrant then it would not be identified by the church as valid?

It seems very stressful and we already have a date set and caterers etc…
I don’t know what a celebrant is? Sorry about your stress. The annulment process can take a very long time. I have known more than one situation that took two years. I would think that is not uncommon and your fiance has two to deal with. They may deal with them one at a time. It seems pretty imprudent to set a date and have arrangements made if it will not be possible to marry in the Church and that is what you intend to do.
 
I don’t know what a celebrant is? Sorry about your stress. The annulment process can take a very long time. I have known more than one situation that took two years. I would think that is not uncommon and your fiance has two to deal with. They may deal with them one at a time. It seems pretty imprudent to set a date and have arrangements made if it will not be possible to marry in the Church and that is what you intend to do.
Hi, a celebrant is someone that declares them man and wife according to the law etc, or a civil marriage as one could say…I set a date as I have heard many times that if he wasnt married previously in the church then it wasnt even recognised by the catholic church and we are free to marry. The only reason I probably will not bring my children up in the catholic religion as I want them to make up their own minds, they will know about it all but its really up to them…such as i dont want them to see it as a chore every sunday.
 
Dear Katrina
Why are you so worried about whether your marriage is valid in the Catholic Church if you don’t believe in the Church, don’t go to Mass, don’t intend to raise your children as Catholics? It seems that your basis is only your parent’s wishes, or fears. You do need to consult a priest, but under present circumstances your marriage wouldn’t be valid according to the Church anyway.

Don’t be sure you will never return to active faith in the Church…it took me ten years. I was not married in a Church because I honestly didn’t believe, and I married a man hostile to religion. I couldn’t be hypocritical, personally, so though my father was very sad and only one sister, one brother (of the eight) were at my legal but not sacramental marriage…and it was one of the saddest days of my life…my family did attend later mixed marriages in my family.

When I received the gift of faith again, my husband only accepted my return because it was to a mainline Church. He cut out his tirades against anything religious and allowed the boys to be baptised because I wasn’t joining what he regarded as “one of those secty religions”…one of them had made a few visits.

Unless you give your heart and spirit to a Sacramental marriage, with the appropriate conditions for a valid marriage, however much your parents wish it to be, it still won’t be Sacramental. Look again at your Catholic faith and find out what it really is and means, and pray for faith and understanding in the Holy Spirit. Find out if annulment is possible for your fiance. If you have the facts of his marriages and the right spirit, your priest will be able to advise and help you.

I ask the Holy Spirit to enter into your heart and mind and life, and into your relationship. May God flood you both, and your family, with blessings…Trishie
 
Dear Katrina
Why are you so worried about whether your marriage is valid in the Catholic Church if you don’t believe in the Church, don’t go to Mass, don’t intend to raise your children as Catholics? It seems that your basis is only your parent’s wishes, or fears. You do need to consult a priest, but under present circumstances your marriage wouldn’t be valid according to the Church anyway.

Don’t be sure you will never return to active faith in the Church…it took me ten years. I was not married in a Church because I honestly didn’t believe, and I married a man hostile to religion. I couldn’t be hypocritical, personally, so though my father was very sad and only one sister, one brother (of the eight) were at my legal but not sacramental marriage…and it was one of the saddest days of my life…my family did attend later mixed marriages in my family.

When I received the gift of faith again, my husband only accepted my return because it was to a mainline Church. He cut out his tirades against anything religious and allowed the boys to be baptised because I wasn’t joining what he regarded as “one of those secty religions”…one of them had made a few visits.

Unless you give your heart and spirit to a Sacramental marriage, with the appropriate conditions for a valid marriage, however much your parents wish it to be, it still won’t be Sacramental. Look again at your Catholic faith and find out what it really is and means, and pray for faith and understanding in the Holy Spirit. Find out if annulment is possible for your fiance. If you have the facts of his marriages and the right spirit, your priest will be able to advise and help you.

I ask the Holy Spirit to enter into your heart and mind and life, and into your relationship. May God flood you both, and your family, with blessings…Trishie
Thanks very much, your advice was probably one of the best I have heard in a long time. thanks. 🙂
 
The only reason I probably will not bring my children up in the catholic religion as I want them to make up their own minds, they will know about it all but its really up to them…such as i dont want them to see it as a chore every sunday.
So will you also let your children decide whether or not they want to attend elementary school os well? … How about letting your child decide whether or not to get vacinated?

And sadly, I hardly believe that your children will “know about it all” as you do not seem to have even a basic grasp of your faith … how will your children learn about the catholic faith? Obviously not from you and not from attending church …

You really need to attend pre-marital counciling [usually required for a catholic wedding]. Will your fiance attend? Will he make the annullment application?

Your parents desire for a “Church” wedding will not make it a acramental event …

I pray that both of you take care in this decision and come to agreement on the Sacramentality of marriage …

God Bless and Good Luck
 
Hi, a celebrant is someone that declares them man and wife according to the law etc, or a civil marriage as one could say…I set a date as I have heard many times that if he wasnt married previously in the church then it wasnt even recognised by the catholic church and we are free to marry. The only reason I probably will not bring my children up in the catholic religion as I want them to make up their own minds, they will know about it all but its really up to them…such as i dont want them to see it as a chore every sunday.
I have four grown daughters. This is the advice I gave them when they were at the stage of looking for a mate, which they all took and thanked me for.

Falling in love is a wonderful thing. We can look around and see that many couples go through the process and sometimes things work out well for them and sometimes they do not. When things do not work out, as with your fiance’s previous attempts, it can be painful and life can get complicated and messy, especially for children of broken families. Also when people look back at broken relationships they wonder how they missed seeing the signs that were there, the warning signs that said this will not work.

Falling in love is a little like getting intoxicated. Everyone who has experienced it understands that. When people are intoxicated they can not make good decisions. Good judgement is suspended. They even sometimes do crazy things.

Knowing that in this state it is difficult to have good judgement what we can do is rely on the better judgement of people we know who love us, our family and friends.

Sometimes when a marriage fails it is a surprise to those who know the couple. No one could see it coming. Other times it is no surprise. Everyone could see that it was not going to work, everyone but the couple at the time of the marriage. They were in love.

If you saw a friend doing something you thought was a mistake you might try to warn her, but people who have fallen in love sometimes don’t want to hear any advice, or they won’t take it.

Anyway, think about this. Surely your parents love you and want your good. You might have other people in your life who have some experience in life whose judgement you trust. Seek advice from them.

Without knowing you, but knowing something about life, I can tell you that two failed marriages are very likely a sign of things to come. Why did the marriages fail? Whatever the reason they simply just don’t go away. People respond in situations in ways they know how, by habit. Statistics say people with broken marriages have a greater chance of the next marriage failing also.

Anyway, what do those who know you and love you and know the situation think? They may not tell you unless you ask.
 
), I am catholic however I dont go to church etc and if I have children then I will not bring up in church, really Im only getting married in church as my parents believe this is the only way my marriage will be recognised. Any advice anyone? :confused:
since you have formally renounced your Catholic faith, and since you ask for advice, mine is to abandon any pretense of asking a priest to witness your marriage, as you have no intention of abiding by any of the promises you will be asked to make, solemnly before God and the Church. Your immortal soul is already in jeopardy why add another grievous sin? Tell your parents the situation so they can get a well needed reality chech.
 
since you have formally renounced your Catholic faith, and since you ask for advice, mine is to abandon any pretense of asking a priest to witness your marriage, as you have no intention of abiding by any of the promises you will be asked to make, solemnly before God and the Church. Your immortal soul is already in jeopardy why add another grievous sin? Tell your parents the situation so they can get a well needed reality chech.
thanks for the advice??, but dont you think you should leave the judgemental advice up to god? I dont think you have to go to mass to be a good person…half of the catholics i know are hypocritical backstabbers and only know how to bible bash and quote thingas from the bible…i think most catholics…no offence here…but are all bark and no bite.
 
thanks for the advice??, but dont you think you should leave the judgemental advice up to god? I dont think you have to go to mass to be a good person…half of the catholics i know are hypocritical backstabbers and only know how to bible bash and quote thingas from the bible…i think most catholics…no offence here…but are all bark and no bite.
That is all the more reason to not have anything to do with the organization. Why get married in a Church you despise? Its all for show. That sounds pretty hypocritical to me. You are going to make promises you do not intend to keep in order to be allowed to get married in a Church you don’t believe in or want any part of.
 
That is all the more reason to not have anything to do with the organization. Why get married in a Church you despise? Its all for show. That sounds pretty hypocritical to me. You are going to make promises you do not intend to keep in order to be allowed to get married in a Church you don’t believe in or want any part of.
hello but i dont despise the church and what it stands for, I dislike the rules and regulations that apparently have to be adhered to… and if you dont like them then you cant be part of the church…dont you think just believing in god and being a good person is what really matters…not about how much time you put into reading the bible or quoting its stories…i mean gettingo ut there and really practicing what you preach. I probably will not be allowed to get married in the church as my fiancee has had two marriages and he will not bring his child up in the catholic religion… so yes I am wasting my time as I will not lie to the priest and tell him a load of rubbish and lies…my parents will have to just face the music and understand the church has rules…and take off the rose colored glasses.
 
The OP is new to here and a lapsed Catholic who doesnt know much about the faith so I would ask other posters to have a bit more compassion and think about the spiritual works of mercy. Suggesting the OP to talk to a priest and get some answers is probably the best answer. I also suggest the OP to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church`s section on marriage. It is free online here.
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a7.htm
I dont go to church as I believe if your a good person and have an element of sprituality then thats suffice, religion is very private I think…
Jesus told the apostles to preach the gospel to all nations and to not hide your faith/ light under a basket.
Jesus also said. “What good deed must I do, to have eternal life?” - “If you would enter into life, keep the commandments” (*Mt *19:16-17).

Using the bad behavior of fellow Catholics is no excuse for not going to church etc as we are each responsible for our own soul and will have to answer before Judge Jesus and saying well other people were blah blah blah isnt going to cut it. Look at the crucifixion Jesus is saying I went this far because I love you what did you do in return?
 
I agree with the previous repliers to your question. Don’t get married in the Church just because your parents want you to. But can you blame them? They want you to have the Faith - they want you to have the best of Christianity. But what they have to realize is that only the Holy Spirit can bring a person back to Christ.

I got married outside the Church. My parents were resigned to the fact that I was marrying my husband and knew that I had made my decision. They did not attend my wedding outside the Church. At first I was a little upset - but my own selfishness masked that and I made the best of the situation.

Years later I came back to the Church. I had my marriage convalidated and my parents, who were the happiest I’ve ever seen them, attended. I thank my mom’s constant prayers to the Blessed Mother and Her intercession.

You’ll never know where your faith journey will take you - don’t rule out the fact that you’ll come back…it surprised the heck out of me when I did…and I never thought I’d come back!

I will be praying for you. God Bless.
 
]hello but i dont despise the church and what it stands for, I dislike the rules and regulations that apparently have to be adhered to…
Is it all rules you do not like, or are there certain rules in particular you struggle with?
and if you dont like them then you cant be part of the church…dont you think just believing in god and being a good person is what really matters…
Understand that what we think does not matter. One person may define what it means to be a good person differently than another. How does anyone know what being a good person is? What matters is what God says, not what we say. God has revealed to mankind that He made us, who we are to Him and what we need to do to end up well. You can call these rules if you like, but Jesus calls them commandments. We can see that people do things that destroy their lives. No one says I am going to make my life into a big mess, yet people do that. No one says I am going to get married and divorced several times and make myself miserable. It happens all the time. No ones says I am going to become a drug addict and murderer and spend my life in prison, but it happens. People make themselves miserable by what they do, because they do not know the right things to do, the rules of how to live. They don’t know or follow the rules. Maybe they don’t like rules and want to make up their own. All they want to do is be a good person.

But you are right. It is not complicated. All we need to do is love one another and God. Those are the rules. The problem is that human beings are fallen creatures. We have a tendency to do things we should not do even when we know what to do. Husbands and wives cheat on one another, all the time. People lie to one another and deceive one another. People hurt one another in many ways. What it takes to be truthful, and kind, and faithful, the good person you want to be is God’s help. We call it grace. In order to have that we need to pray. We need to be in a relationship with God that allows His grace to come into us so we can be good people and have good marriages. If your fiance had God’s grace he would still be married and not have gone through failed marriages. He obviously did not know how to have a successful marriage and he still doesn’t. It is not simply a matter of trying harder, or wishing for it or falling in love. Marrige can be great and it can be hell. No one gets married tihnking it will be misery, but it happens all the time to nice people who want to be good people and have good lives and marriages.
not about how much time you put into reading the bible or quoting its stories…i mean gettingo ut there and really practicing what you preach.
You can’t practive what you preach unless you know how. You can’t play the violin unless you study and practice. That is how life works. The art of living well is learned. It does not come naturally to fallen people. If it did then we would all have happy wonderful lives and there would be no divorces and broken families. Religion, practicing a faith is what we need to get through life. If you don’t believe that, give it a shot and see what happens. You have a lot of confidence in yourself. I need lots of help to get throigh life. I need God’s help. We all do, but some people try it on their own. Go for it.
I probably will not be allowed to get married in the church as my fiancee has had two marriages and he will not bring his child up in the catholic religion…
That is probably true. Your fiance has made a mess of two marriages and the lives of his children will suffer for it. The chances are very high that he will repeat whatever mistakes he made in his next attempt with you. You may not want to hear that or believe it and think it is judgemental or whatever. Love is blind. The Church is there to help you avoid a wreck not to burden you with rules. The Church says if we do certain things we will wreck. You don’t want to hear it so you are on your own.

People who end up in prison had no intention of going there. When they get out most end up going back. We all have a tendency to go down the same paths. I know people who have been married five times. I have a friend whose mother and father were each married seven times. Each time they just knew it would work out. He had seven different men playing daddy.
so yes I am wasting my time as I will not lie to the priest and tell him a load of rubbish and lies…my parents will have to just face the music and understand the church has rules…and take off the rose colored glasses.
I think they know that, You are the one who needs to understand the Church has rules and why it has rules. You are incredibly naive and headed for a wreck. What would happen if no one obeyed the rules of driving and stayed on the right side of the street and stopped in the middle of the road and went 90 miles per hour? There would be chaos without the rules. We would all be in wrecks. You can see lots of lives in wreckage and no one intended to make wreckage of their lives, but over half the marriages wreck. You are headed for a brick wall full speed ahead with your eyes closed. You don’t like the rules that will keep you safe and when you hit that wall it is going to hurt badly and you may not recover. The rules that will keep you safe you reject. No one can stop you from destroying your life and that is exactly what you are headed for. You need the rules you hate. If it is so easy to be a good person and have a good life, why is it that so many people fail?
 
hello but i dont despise the church and what it stands for, I dislike the rules and regulations that apparently have to be adhered to
This makes no sense …as it its rules [teachings] are what idnetofy what the church [and a life in Christ] stand for … why would you desire a chruch wedding … when the ceremony includes promises you have no intention of keeping … what does that make you? What does that say about your promise to your intended and his to you … like remaining faithful for ever?
dont you think just believing in god and being a good person is what really matters…not about how much time you put into reading the bible or quoting its stories…i mean gettingo ut there and really practicing what you preach.
Believing in God is a start and practicing what you preach is as weel … but how is beginning your married life on ies, practicing what you preach? We are commaned to come together in community [Jesus founded a church … as in “upon this rock I will found my church” … what you “bind is bound… what you loose is loosed” …the rules and regulations]
I probably will not be allowed to get married in the church as my fiancee has had two marriages
This is true unless he subjects his previous marriages to th scrutiny of a tribunal and they are found to be non- valid and non-sacramental
and he will not bring his child up in the catholic religion…
Your fiance would be under no abligation to bring his child up in the catholic faith nor even to promise that they would bring future children up in the faith … you are the one who is obligated to bring your children up in the faith and to tell your spouse of your obligation …
so yes I am wasting my time as I will not lie to the priest and tell him a load of rubbish and lies…my parents will have to just face the music and understand the church has rules…and take off the rose colored glasses.
Really, you will not be wasting the priests time and entering into a wedding under false pretenses … and you won’t be lying to and/or misleading your parents …

I would still recommend pre-marital counciling for both of you … oviously your fiance has not understood marriage as a permanent state in the past and [purely based upon your posts] you seem to have many mis-understandings about the premise of married life as well… I do not mean this harshly … I speak as one who was married and divorced in the past … I’ve made many mistakes … ones I hope you do not have to learn with personal experience. … I pray that when you do marry it will be with a proper christian understanding and one that is made maturely, with proper consideration and an abiding love.
 
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