Martin Luther

[GKC]

You are not serious I hope.

I take your word on it, because I really think they all sounded bad. Even one I like, St John Chrysostom was really harsh sounding even though he said so many good things like Luther and Like Moore, and like many others of that time. I just think religion fires people up no matter the time period.

Peace to you.

Bear in mind, I rely heavily on christian viewpoints on this, and am open to correction if you feel the need, please do so I really need viewpoints here.

Religion also calms people, and leads to contemplation.

If you haven’t yet, you might try More’s DIALOGUE OF COMFORT. But it, like many other writings on serious matters of that time, reflects the fact that religion addresses ultimate things, and when faced with such things, religious folk most often do so in religious terms. If that bothers you, I don’t think much that is representative of the period would appeal to you. Rabelais, perhaps.

GKC

 

[GKC]

I was just making sure you’re paying attention.

No, seriously I don’t know how I made such a slip. (I wonder if it was Freudian?)

Aw, I knew it was a typo.

GKC

 

[StrawberryJam]

Religion also calms people, and leads to contemplation.

If you haven’t yet, you might try More’s DIALOGUE OF COMFORT. But it, like many other writings on serious matters of that time, reflects the fact that religion addresses ultimate things, and when faced with such things, religious folk most often do so in religious terms. If that bothers you, I don’t think much that is representative of the period would appeal to you. Rabelais, perhaps.

GKC

Rabelais?

Okay, I will read about him also.

I have a very open mind to learning new things. And, I know I will never be able to know what most if not all of the posters here know. I am in a unique position to be able to post all the live long day here and think about these things since my immobility.

To me, many of these things are so hard to absorb, especially when I am in pain, which is thankfully less so each day. You must realize this is like another language, another life I never had. I am trying to learn about all this now. And, I feel as if I get a few steps forward, and ten steps back each day. That is why I like this Little Flower Gottle of Geer mentioned. From what I scanned, she sounds like someone I can understand.

 

[GKC]

Rabelais?

Okay, I will read about him also.

I have a very open mind to learning new things. And, I know I will never be able to know what most if not all of the posters here know. I am in a unique position to be able to post all the live long day here and think about these things since my immobility.

To me, many of these things are so hard to absorb, especially when I am in pain, which is thankfully less so each day. You must realize this is like another language, another life I never had. I am trying to learn about all this now. And, I feel as if I get a few steps forward, and ten steps back each day. That is why I like this Little Flower Gottle of Geer mentioned. From what I scanned, she sounds like someone I can understand.

I suggested Rabelais as someone of the same period who wouldn’t necessarily work up a religious head of steam. If you don’t know him, approach slowly.

I am not aware of your condition, but it doesn’t sound like it’s a pleasant one. I’m sorry.

GKC

 

[Jon_Hus]

MarysGirls

Hands down the best beginner book on Luther is Here I Stand by Roland Bainton. This book will give you a good overview of Luther and it should be available at your local library.

Better, but more af a challange to read is Luther and his Times by E. G. Schwiebert

The three most important books Luther wrote are: The Babylonian Captivity, Table Talk and Address to the Nobility. Read them.

If you are interested in church history then buy Phillip Schaff’s 8 volume set for less than $60.00 at christianbook.com Volume 7 concerns Luther and the German Reformation and will be helpfull to you. You can buy single volumes for about $10.00.

From the same source you can get Luthers 7 volume sermon set $45.00

 

[StrawberryJam]

MarysGirls

Hands down the best beginner book on Luther is Here I Stand by Roland Bainton. This book will give you a good overview of Luther and it should be available at your local library.

Better, but more af a challange to read is Luther and his Times by E. G. Schwiebert

The three most important books Luther wrote are: The Babylonian Captivity, Table Talk and Address to the Nobility. Read them.

If you are interested in church history then buy Phillip Schaff’s 8 volume set for less than $60.00 at christianbook.com Volume 7 concerns Luther and the German Reformation and will be helpfull to you. You can buy single volumes for about $10.00.

From the same source you can get Luthers 7 volume sermon set $45.00

Do Lutheran Churches have libraries, where a person can check books out and return them? The parish I go to has tons of books I can check out even as a non member. I have donated of course, but I am just wondering if there is another way to access these books if the person can not pay for them.

 

[Jon_Hus]

Do Lutheran Churches have libraries, where a person can check books out and return them? The parish I go to has tons of books I can check out even as a non member. I have donated of course, but I am just wondering if there is another way to access these books if the person can not pay for them.

I cannot answer that question as I left the Lutheran (ELCA) in 1989. The church I belonged to for 5 years didn’t have any library at all. The church I go to now (Evangelical) has a massive library so check with non-Lutheran churches in your area. Luther is such an (name removed by moderator)ortant figure that even fundamentalists are knowledgable of him. Also as I mentioned your local library should have some of the books I listed if not all. If there a college in your area try them also.

 

[GKC]

Do Lutheran Churches have libraries, where a person can check books out and return them? The parish I go to has tons of books I can check out even as a non member. I have donated of course, but I am just wondering if there is another way to access these books if the person can not pay for them.

Bainton is available on line:

ttp://www.archive.org/details/hereistandalifeo005163mbp

GKC

 

[Jon_Hus]

Oh, I forgot, I’m in the process of listing my personal library on this web site gurulib.com/ you can join and some of the members will share their books. I don’t have enough of my books listed yet.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

Leopold Von Ranke did a work titled *History of the Reformation in Germany *. If you are looking for a very ‘romantic’ view of the Reformation and of Luther that would be it. Ranke believed that history was motivated and determined by individuals so there is a lot in there about Martin Luther. A little dated I admit but how can you hold that against a 19th century historian?

Also it is either that book or his History of the Popes that he does a very, well, interesting compare and contrast between St. Ignatius of Loyola and Martin Luther. Ranke was not a fan of Ignatius.

God bless you

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

“Here I Stand” by Roland Bainton is, IMO, the best Luther book ever. I’ve read it cover to cover so many times that I wore the book out. It’s really awesome. There’s another great book called, “Martin Luther: Selections from His Writings” which takes his major master works and you can get things right from the horse’s mouth…
amazon.com/Here-Stand-Hendrickson-Classic-Biographies/dp/1598563335/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1248628157&sr=1-1

amazon.com/Martin-Luther-Selections-His-Writings/dp/0385098766/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1248628094&sr=1-1

I have several Luther books but these two are my definite favorites

Scott

 

[JonNC]

Do Lutheran Churches have libraries, where a person can check books out and return them? The parish I go to has tons of books I can check out even as a non member. I have donated of course, but I am just wondering if there is another way to access these books if the person can not pay for them.

I would say most do, but it depends on the size and age of the congregation. My current church is small and relatively young, so the library is quite limited. I’d suggest calling a local Lutheran parish, and see what happens.

Jon

 

[MarysGirls]

MarysGirls

Hands down the best beginner book on Luther is Here I Stand by Roland Bainton. This book will give you a good overview of Luther and it should be available at your local library.

Better, but more af a challange to read is Luther and his Times by E. G. Schwiebert

The three most important books Luther wrote are: The Babylonian Captivity, Table Talk and Address to the Nobility. Read them.

If you are interested in church history then buy Phillip Schaff’s 8 volume set for less than $60.00 at christianbook.com Volume 7 concerns Luther and the German Reformation and will be helpfull to you. You can buy single volumes for about $10.00.

From the same source you can get Luthers 7 volume sermon set $45.00

Thanks. Are either of the first two books about his life, or are they just his works?? I’ll look for the three others at my library. As for the others, I’m afraid I can’t really afford to buy them right now. (And I do hope you haven’t misunderstood me. I’m researching for historical fiction, not because I’m not satisfied with the Catholic faith. )

 

[Ginger2]

Hi! I’m something of an aspiring author and I’d like to write a historical fiction book about Martin Luther. I just recently saw the movie Luther and, while it was a good movie, I found it to be inaccurate. …

An historical fiction book needs to be true to history and real characters. ** I strongly recommend you start by studying that particular era** and then move on to Luther and other characters. That will also help you understand the character better and give you insight into creating your fictional characters.

Specifically, what in the movie did you find “to be inaccurate”?

Ginger

 

[Anna_Scott]

Hi! I’m something of an aspiring author and I’d like to write a historical fiction book about Martin Luther. I just recently saw the movie Luther and, while it was a good movie, I found it to be inaccurate. The more I hear about what Luther believed and what kind of person he was, the more I am confused. So I decided to look into his works and the works of the Church concerning him. The problem is, I haven’t the least idea of where to start. A little help please???

This is quite an undertaking.

As a Protestant Christian, one of the things that has literally shaken my faith in the Protestant sector, is Martin Luther’s Works Volume 47, which contains On the Jews and Their Lies.

If you go to a Christian Bookstore; I will guarantee you that you will not find the complete works of Martin Luther. You will not find Volume 47.

Martin Luther’s Works Volume 47, On the Jews and Their Lies, is one of the most offensive antisemitic writings I have ever encountered. It is mad, evil, antisemitic ranting.

Hitler even quoted Luther in Mein Kampf, using Luther’s words to further justify the Holocaust.

Here are some links for you. I will warn you this is not reading for the fainthearted. But, it is truth.

Martin Luther’s Dirty Little Book: On the Jews and Their lies, A precursor to Nazism,
by Jim Walker:
nobeliefs.com/luther.htm

On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543:
humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm

The Jewish Virtual Library contains partial quotes from On the Jews and Their Lies, and states, “In 1994, the Church Council of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America rejected Luther’s anti-Semitic writings”:
jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html

 

[MarysGirls]

An historical fiction book needs to be true to history and real characters. ** I strongly recommend you start by studying that particular era** and then move on to Luther and other characters. That will also help you understand the character better and give you insight into creating your fictional characters.

Specifically, what in the movie did you find “to be inaccurate”?

Ginger

It’s called Luther. You can find it at CBD’s website in the DVD’s section.

 

[Ginger2]

It’s called Luther. You can find it at CBD’s website in the DVD’s section.

Thank you, but I was asking what you found inaccurate.

 

[Ginger2]

This is quite an undertaking.

As a Protestant Christian, one of the things that has literally shaken my faith in the Protestant sector, is Martin Luther’s Works Volume 47, which contains On the Jews and Their Lies.

Yes, sadly there was a lot of antisemitism in the church.

 

[IowaJay]

This is quite an undertaking.

As a Protestant Christian, one of the things that has literally shaken my faith in the Protestant sector, is Martin Luther’s Works Volume 47, which contains On the Jews and Their Lies.

If you go to a Christian Bookstore; I will guarantee you that you will not find the complete works of Martin Luther. You will not find Volume 47.

Martin Luther’s Works Volume 47, On the Jews and Their Lies, is one of the most offensive antisemitic writings I have ever encountered. It is mad, evil, antisemitic ranting.

Hitler even quoted Luther in Mein Kampf, using Luther’s words to further justify the Holocaust.

Here are some links for you. I will warn you this is not reading for the fainthearted. But, it is truth.

Martin Luther’s Dirty Little Book: On the Jews and Their lies, A precursor to Nazism,
by Jim Walker:
nobeliefs.com/luther.htm

On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543:
humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm

The Jewish Virtual Library contains partial quotes from On the Jews and Their Lies, and states, “In 1994, the Church Council of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America rejected Luther’s anti-Semitic writings”:
jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html

Actually, many Christians bookstores carry the compilation of Luther’s writings by Tim Lull (see my earlier post in this thread), and it does include “On the Jews and their Lies.”

I’m glad you noted the ELCA’s statement rejecting these writings. Nobody defends these writings by Luther now. But, I’ve always found it somewhat anachronistic to single out Luther on this subject when St. John Chyrsostom and others had been writing things just as bad regarding the Jews long before Luther came along. What I’m getting at is that if Luther’s writings have “shaken your faith in the Protestant sector”, I’m afraid you won’t find it any better elsewhere.

 

[MarysGirls]

Thank you, but I was asking what you found inaccurate.

Oh, sorry. Misread your question.

For one thing, the movie made it sound like Martin left mainly because of the selling of indulgences, but that wasn’t the half of it. Also, while it got what Martin said to Charles V right, it didn’t include Charles V’s response. (I was rather upset when it made him out to be a snob since he was one the holiest emperor’s Europe’s ever had.) It made it sound like the Church split all because of a misunderstanding with the cardinal who wasn’t really a cardinal… not sure if that’s inaccurate or not, but it doesn’t sound right…
That’s all I can think of right off. It’s been a while since I watched the movie.