Mary and Joseph

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Why Mary married Joseph if she would likes to remain virgin by her votes?
Now a days it would be cause of annulment if she doesn’t want to have children
 
Now a days it would be cause of annulment if she doesn’t want to have children
Mary and Joseph did not have a Sacramental marriage (for many more reasons than the fact they did not have sexual relations).
 
I know this is going to make the Catholics go crazy, but I don’t believe Joseph and Mary were in a sexless marriage. I know Mary’s perpetual virginity is a tradition in the church, but it has no bearing on our salvation. God intended for married couples to be sexually active and I don’t see why Joseph and Mary would be any different.
 
I know this is going to make the Catholics go crazy, but I don’t believe Joseph and Mary were in a sexless marriage. I know Mary’s perpetual virginity is a tradition in the church, but it has no bearing on our salvation. God intended for married couples to be sexually active and I don’t see why Joseph and Mary would be any different.
It will also make Protestants go crazy!

All the founders of Protestantism believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary and they put that in writing!
Let me know if you want references to who said what when.
 
Why Mary married Joseph if she would likes to remain virgin by her votes?
votes?

Mary needed a caregiver and a provider. Women had lower status than they do today, and needed a man to provide shelter, food, and goods.
 
Please click on the link below, you don’t want to miss this one.

"…However, due to considerations of ceremonial cleanliness, it was eventually necessary for Mary, a consecrated “virgin of the Lord,” to have a guardian or protector who would respect her vow of virginity. Thus, according to the Protoevangelium, Joseph, an elderly widower who already had children, was chosen to be her spouse. (This would also explain why Joseph was apparently dead by the time of Jesus’ adult ministry, since he does not appear during it in the gospels, and since Mary is entrusted to John, rather than to her husband Joseph, at the crucifixion).

According to the Protoevangelium, Joseph was required to regard Mary’s vow of virginity with the utmost respect. The gravity of his responsibility as the guardian of a virgin was indicated by the fact that, when she was discovered to be with child, he had to answer to the Temple authorities, who thought him guilty of defiling a virgin of the Lord. Mary was also accused of having forsaken the Lord by breaking her vow. Keeping this in mind, it is an incredible insult to the Blessed Virgin to say that she broke her vow by bearing children other than her Lord and God, who was conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit.

The perpetual virginity of Mary has always been reconciled with the biblical references to Christ’s brethren through a proper understanding of the meaning of the term “brethren.” The understanding that the brethren of the Lord were Jesus’ stepbrothers (children of Joseph) rather than half-brothers (children of Mary) was the most common one until the time of Jerome (fourth century). It was Jerome who introduced the possibility that Christ’s brethren were actually his cousins, since in Jewish idiom cousins were also referred to as “brethren.” The Catholic Church allows the faithful to hold either view, since both are compatible with the reality of Mary’s perpetual virginity.

Today most Protestants are unaware of these early beliefs regarding Mary’s virginity and the proper interpretation of “the brethren of the Lord.” And yet, the Protestant Reformers themselves—Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Ulrich Zwingli—honored the perpetual virginity of Mary and recognized it as the teaching of the Bible, as have other, more modern Protestants.

catholic.com/library/Mary_Ever_Virgin.asp
 
I know this is going to make the Catholics go crazy, but I don’t believe Joseph and Mary were in a sexless marriage. I know Mary’s perpetual virginity is a tradition in the church, but it has no bearing on our salvation. God intended for married couples to be sexually active and I don’t see why Joseph and Mary would be any different.
To Steve: catholicsource.net/articles/perpetualvirginity.htm

To the OP and Steve: newadvent.org/fathers/0847.htm

Enjoy both of you 👍
 
Actually, you don’t have to go to the trouble of exegetical acrobatics to explain that Mary had no other children. On the cross Jesus tells John that Mary is his mother now, in effect charging John with her care. If Jesus had other brothers Mary’s care would have passed to them. However, no children does not mean no sex. If Mary had taken a vow of chastity and then had a child I think the Jewish community would have ostracized her. The men of the synagogue were ready to stone Jesus after He announced that He was the Messiah. Jesus could do few miracles in the area because of the lack of faith. This was a seriously observant community, yet the people knew Mary and the family. Jesus was obviously a member in good standing with the community because He read from Scripture in the synagogue on the Sabbath as mentioned above, so His family would also have to be seen as observant, which they were.
Enjoy the Fourth everyone:tiphat:
 
Why Mary married Joseph if she would likes to remain virgin by her votes?
Now a days it would be cause of annulment if she doesn’t want to have children
Sorry about kicking off a thread on the same subject under Sacred Scriptures category. Great minds think alike. 😉

My belief is that Joseph and Mary were engaged to be married fully expecting to raise a family. The Annunciation and Incarnation changed the game plan, whereby Joseph could not profane the union of God and Mary. The unique situation would require abstinence from that point on. Thus both Joseph and Mary remained virgins.
 
Sorry about kicking off a thread on the same subject under Sacred Scriptures category. Great minds think alike. 😉

***My belief is that Joseph and Mary were engaged to be married fully expecting to raise a ***family. The Annunciation and Incarnation changed the game plan, whereby Joseph could not profane the union of God and Mary. The unique situation would require abstinence from that point on. Thus both Joseph and Mary remained virgins.
If that had been the case, Mary would not have asked: “How can this be, since I am a virgin?”: Luke 1:34

The Child needed a father (figure) to show/teach him how to be a man, as with any normal family.

kepha1:
The Protoevangelium isn`t inspired; and its description of Joseph as an elderly widower is regarded by many as an insult to all three members of The Holy Family. Joseph had to be a provider; he had to take Mary and Jesus to Egypt, and back; he had to teach Jesus the carpentry craft. He had to be fit and active.
Why should he have had to be elderly?

He may have died in his fifties: probably a reasonable life span back then, and dead before our Lord began His public life.
 
Trevor,
Protestants don’t think that Jesus disciple James, son of Alpheus, was Jesus biological brother. This is based on two things, in the Gospels Jesus says He was not honored by His family:
Matthew 13:57 So the people were very unhappy because of what he was doing. But Jesus said, “Prophets are honored by everyone, except the people of their hometown and their own family.”
I Corinthians 15:1-7 where Paul says Jesus appeared to the 12 (apparently the apostles), and then to James (his brother), then to all the apostles. He makes sure to single James out from the apostles.
Like I said before, it makes no difference to me whether you believe in Mary’s perpetual virginity of not.
 
I know this is going to make the Catholics go crazy, but I don’t believe Joseph and Mary were in a sexless marriage. I know Mary’s perpetual virginity is a tradition in the church, but it has no bearing on our salvation. God intended for married couples to be sexually active and I don’t see why Joseph and Mary would be any different.
Perhaps God being the Father of the child, and an angel telling them both of who the Father is has something to do with it.
 
If that had been the case, Mary would not have asked: “How can this be, since I am a virgin?”: Luke 1:34
Exactly. It’s not like Mary didn’t know about the birds and the bees. 😉
 
Trevor,
Protestants don’t think that Jesus disciple James, son of Alpheus, was Jesus biological brother. This is based on two things, in the Gospels Jesus says He was not honored by His family:
Matthew 13:57 So the people were very unhappy because of what he was doing. But Jesus said, “Prophets are honored by everyone, except the people of their hometown and their own family.”
I Corinthians 15:1-7 where Paul says Jesus appeared to the 12 (apparently the apostles), and then to James (his brother), then to all the apostles. He makes sure to single James out from the apostles.
Like I said before, it makes no difference to me whether you believe in Mary’s perpetual virginity of not.
Gal1:18…Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. 19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother.

If this James is not of alphaeus and not of zebedee (Ie one of the 12)
Then he may be of Cleophas john19:25- mat27:56
 
Why Mary married Joseph if she would likes to remain virgin by her votes?
don’t think they voted on it
She and Joseph married because God commanded it. If anyone, of any denomination, can find in obedience to a direct command of God a reason to fault either of them they are bolder than I am.
Now a days it would be cause of annulment if she doesn’t want to have children
not necessarily, and even so since they were not Catholic were not bound by Catholic canon law which did not even exist at that time. They were observant Jews and followed Jewish law as we see documented in scripture. A woman with a child who was unmarried simply could not be in that society and the law could have had her stoned, which Joseph prevented. If anyone can find fault in him for that, they are also bolder than I.
I know this is going to make the Catholics go crazy, but I don’t believe Joseph and Mary were in a sexless marriage. I know Mary’s perpetual virginity is a tradition in the church, but it has no bearing on our salvation. God intended for married couples to be sexually active and I don’t see why Joseph and Mary would be any different.
yes it most definitely has bearing on our salvation, and it is defined doctrine required of belief by all Christians, which it was until less than 300 years ago. even the Reformers accepted it. God intended his commands to be obeyed and even Paul, whom Protestants love, reminds us that for a pious purpose couples can refrain from relations. What is more pious than obedience to God? In challening this doctrine you are not challenging the behavior of Mary and Joseph you are challenging the righteousness of God himself in imparting his will to them. YOu are also challenging the other defined Marian doctrine, the Immaculate Conception, which is your real issue. so a search hear of definition and defense of that doctrine will also be profitable.

It is not a matter of debate and is not open to question by sincere Christians. Defined doctrine about Mary is necessary for salvation because it is not about her, it is about the nature of Jesus Christ and the means through which he entered human history to bring about our salvation, and to deny any part of it is to deny all of it, hence to deny Christ himself.
 
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I Corinthians 15:1-7 where Paul says Jesus appeared to the 12 (apparently the apostles), and then to James (his brother), then to all the apostles. He makes sure to single James out from the apostles.
Like I said before, it makes no difference to me whether you believe in Mary’s perpetual virginity of not.
Something else,I’m not so sure this verse excludes James as an "a"postle

1cor15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

He treats cephas/Peter the same In vs 5
1cor15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
 
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