Mary and the Churches official teaching

[billcu1]

I have read in wondering what the “assumption” is the official status of marian teachings in the church. I guess it is a binding dogma (higher than doctrine?) and ex cathedra that Mary was assumed. I have seen pictures of a stone bench where she was lain. All the Apostles were supposed to be present when she passed. Was there a 3 day passing and they opened a tomb and she was not there? Is assumption when the body simply disappears? There is something John XXIII wrote about this right? Is that the official statement? Is this something all Catholics must believe even those not into mariology unlike myself?

 

[1ke]

I guess it is a binding dogma (higher than doctrine?) and ex cathedra that Mary was assumed.

The assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary is a dogma of the Church.

I have seen pictures of a stone bench where she was lain. All the Apostles were supposed to be present when she passed. Was there a 3 day passing and they opened a tomb and she was not there?

These are pious traditions or legends.

Is assumption when the body simply disappears?

Not necessarily.

The proclamation simply states at the end of her earthly life, Mary was assumed into heaven body and soul.

There is something John XXIII wrote about this right? Is that the official statement?

Pope Pius XII issued Munificentissimus Deus in 1950.

Is this something all Catholics must believe even those not into mariology unlike myself?

Yes.

 

[Limoncello4021]

We don’t know whether Mary actually died or simply was assumed to heaven without experiencing death. If you google you will find the frequent painting subject of Mary’s “dormition,” but no one knows exactly what occurred. We simply believe she was assumed, body and soul, into heaven.

 

[billcu1]

[Limoncello4021] Limoncello4021
https://forums.catholic-questions.org/u/limoncello4021
March 3

We don’t know whether Mary actually died or simply was assumed to
heaven without experiencing death. If you google you will find the
frequent painting subject of Mary’s “dormition,” but no one knows
exactly what occurred. We simply believe she was assumed, body and
soul, into heaven.

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But there is no body?

 

[Limoncello4021]

No there is no body of Mary here on earth. She was assumed into heaven, body and soul. That’s what I stated.

 

[TomH1]

The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary is a dogma of the Church pronounced infallibly by the Venerable Pius XII in his apostolic constitution Munificentissimus deus, promulgated on the feast of All Saints 1950.

The Church only teaches that Mary was assumed, body and soul, into heaven. She does not say whether Mary simply fell asleep and was assumed or if she died and was then assumed.

 

[twf]

Yeah that’s the party line. It’s odd though because the idea that she didn’t die is a novelty that only cropped up a few centuries ago. The ancient tradition of the East and West is that she first died and then shared in the resurrection of her son. As a type of the Church it would be odd for her to be deprived of the resurrection that everyone else will eventually share in. The Dormition is prominently depicted at St Mary’s Major - the most important Marian church in Rome.
But yes, the dogma does not bind the faithful to accept her death.

 

[billcu1]

[TomH1] TomH1 https://forums.catholic-questions.org/u/tomh1
March 4

The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary is a dogma of the Church
pronounced infallibly by the Venerable Pius XII in his apostolic
constitution /Munificentissimus deus/, promulgated on the feast of All
Saints 1950.

The Church only teaches that Mary was assumed, body and soul, into
heaven. She does not say whether Mary simply fell asleep and was
assumed or if she died and was then assumed.

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Ok I see. is anything said about the Apostles all being present? Is
this Constitution a hard to read document? A lot of this things are,
if even in English.

 

[billcu1]

What I’ve always had sticking in my mind; and I guess now that this isn’t taught, so I need to be careful. Is someone simply dying and I have heard something about flowers being laid on a body. And the body simply fades and just isn’t there any more. IDK.

 

[TomH1]

is anything said about the Apostles all being present?

To know this you would have to read the document.

Is
this Constitution a hard to read document?

It is not a very long document. I cannot know whether you will struggle with it or not. You can read it online at the Vatican’s website: HERE.

 

[Geremia19]

Pope Pius XII defined ex cathedra the dogma of the Assumption on November 1, 1950. From Munificentissimus Deus:

1. […] by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority, we pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.

Pius XII’s proclamation of the dogma was the first to have been video recorded:
youtu.be/rO5hVmjd2p0

 

[Wesrock]

Yeah that’s the party line. It’s odd though because the idea that she didn’t die is a novelty that only cropped up a few centuries ago. The ancient tradition of the East and West is that she first died and then shared in the resurrection of her son. As a type of the Church it would be odd for her to be deprived of the resurrection that everyone else will eventually share in. The Dormition is prominently depicted at St Mary’s Major - the most important Marian church in Rome.
But yes, the dogma does not bind the faithful to accept her death.

This.

It’s been the general teaching that she died, but the assumption is the only portion that’s been made a dogma of the faith.

 

[billcu1]

Bill