Mary and the Holy Rosary

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To all, We as Catholic need to remined others, how Inmportant the Rosary is,and that OUR LADY, gave it too ST Domince, telling St Domince ,to tell us to say it daily for the
salvation of the world, and to save sinners.
OUR LADY, also said to pray, for the Soul,s in Purgatory
The Rosary, is the most powerful weapion that we have agains Evil.so we must pray that
Other will join us. Only can Threw the Rosary shall we be saved.
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                                      johnthebaptist1                                       :gopray:
 
On the contrary, there are many ways of approaching our Heavenly Father through the Lord Jesus Christ. I’ve often heard the sentimental line that “only through the power of the Rosary shall we be saved”. How can anyone possibly say this? It is akin to claiming that we are saved by the nails in the Cross, or the flagellum, instead of by the One who was nailed and flogged. The devotion should be widespread and happy, yes, but we are to be saved by our faith, hope, love, charity, and burning zeal for God - expressed in joyous works for the sake of the blessed Trinity.

If the Rosary were essential for salvation, I think someone would have bothered to mention it… St. Paul, or St. Peter, for instance. Let’s not be romantic about this.
 
On the contrary, there are many ways of approaching our Heavenly Father through the Lord Jesus Christ. I’ve often heard the sentimental line that “only through the power of the Rosary shall we be saved”. How can anyone possibly say this? It is akin to claiming that we are saved by the nails in the Cross, or the flagellum, instead of by the One who was nailed and flogged. The devotion should be widespread and happy, yes, but we are to be saved by our faith, hope, love, charity, and burning zeal for God - expressed in joyous works for the sake of the blessed Trinity.

If the Rosary were essential for salvation, I think someone would have bothered to mention it… St. Paul, or St. Peter, for instance. Let’s not be romantic about this.
THANK YOU! I am so sick and tired of people saying we’re saved by the Rosary. We are saved by Jesus Christ!!! The Rosary is a nice devotion but let’s keep this about Jesus and His Saving works on the Cross and Resurrection!
 
The rosary* is* about Jesus and His saving works on the cross. 😉

Sure, it’s not the only way. But what a beautiful way it is.
 
The Rosary suits some people, but not all, and is only a prayer among others.

As somebody has already said, if it were essential, it would be in the New Testament.

Let us not forget the parable of the Sheep and Goats. In other words, at the Last Judgement, Jesus asks if we have fed the hungry, given drink to the thirsty and so on. He doesn’t ask us about the prayers we have said.
 
To all, We as Catholic need to remined others, how Inmportant the Rosary is,and that OUR LADY, gave it too ST Domince, telling St Domince ,to tell us to say it daily for the
salvation of the world, and to save sinners.
OUR LADY, also said to pray, for the Soul,s in Purgatory
The Rosary, is the most powerful weapion that we have agains Evil.so we must pray that
Other will join us. Only can Threw the Rosary shall we be saved.
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                                      johnthebaptist1                                       :gopray:
johnthebaptist1, we are saved through Jesus Christ, not the Rosary. The Rosary is a wonderful devotion and very powerful, but only Christ saves us. Besides, for the first 1000 years of the Church there was no Rosary.
 
johnthebaptist1, we are saved through Jesus Christ, not the Rosary. The Rosary is a wonderful devotion and very powerful, but only Christ saves us. Besides, for the first 1000 years of the Church there was no Rosary.
YES! Thank you. ONLY Christ saves!
 
The rosary* is* about Jesus and His saving works on the cross. 😉

Sure, it’s not the only way. But what a beautiful way it is.
Yes, the Rosary is about Jesus when you focus on Jesus and His Life but many people say it’s a prayer about Mary and use it as a focus on Mary. I love the Rosary but the Rosary does not save people. Jesus Christ is our salvation. I just get offended when it’s said to be our salvation. and it is a beautiful devotion
🙂 🙂
 
Just a few points.
  1. According to the Dominican Order, Our Lady did not give St. Dominic the Rosary. It may be possible that St. Dominic never saw the rosary as we know it today.
  2. It is true that the Dominicans were instrumental in spreading the Rosary through Europe, because it provided a very simple means for the common man to meditate on the life of Christ. People did not know how to read. The Aves were easy to memorize, instead of the Psalms. Then the mysteries were added to help people reflect on the mysteries in Christ’s life.
  3. There are several hundred variations of the Rosary. The Dominican Rosary, with 15 decades is the most popular. It makes perfect sense. At one time, the Dominicans were also the largest religious order in the Church. Therefore, they got around. The second most popular version is the Franciscan crown, which has seven decades. The Redemptorists have another version. Theirs is rather interesting, because it does not have a cross or crucifix. Today, the Sisters of the Pierced Hearts have a new version of the rosary that was inspired by their founder.
  4. In many apparitions Our Lady has encouraged people to pray the Rosary in her honor. This is probably for the same reason that it began in the first place. It is an easy way to meditate on the life of Christ. Mary’s words always say the same thing. “Pray the Rosary for the salvation of souls.”
  5. This statement has been misinterpreted. Mary has never said that the Rosary saves. Watch carefully, “pray for . . . . for the salvation of souls”. If you take out the center, the request is very straightforward. You’re being asked to pray for salvation. The Rosary is the how we pray, not to the salvation. The salvation comes from Christ.
  6. We know that the Rosary is a powerful prayer. It makes sense that meditating on Christ’s life has power, because Christ is the source and end of all power. Therefore, after the Liturgy of the Mass and the Liturgy of the Hours, the rosary is probably the most powerful prayer at our disposal. The Liturgy of the Mass proclaims the Gospel, offers the sacrifice and brings all men into communion with each other and with Christ through the Holy Eucharist. The Liturgy of the Hours uses God’s words to praise him. There are no more perfect words to praise God, than his own revealed word. Then you have the Rosary that presents us with an opportunity to reflect and pray through the mysteries in Christ’s life. Even the Ave is about Christ. The entire first part is from the Gospel of Luke and speaks to us about the Incarnation. The second part, which was added in the 1800s is simply a request to Mary to pray for us.
We should not take the rosary out of context, nor underestimate its power as a prayer. Balance is important. Otherwise, we will be unable to pray it correctly.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Bro. JR, could that date (1800’s) for adding the second part of the Hail Mary possibly be a mistyping? It sounds a bit late to me.
 
Bro. JR, could that date (1800’s) for adding the second part of the Hail Mary possibly be a mistyping? It sounds a bit late to me.
That’s a typo. Thanks for picking up on it. It should say 1500s. St. Peter Canisius, a Jesuit allegedly added “Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners.”

However, to be very specific and off-topic :D, it was at the Council of Trent that the Church clarified that it was appropriate to ask Our Lady to intercede for us. I try not to bring up the Council of Trent in this discussion, because it is often misinterpreted by Catholics to mean that the Council declared this dogmatically. That is not the case. First, not everything that came from Trent was dogma. Second, this particular belief dates back to the early Church. The Concil put it on paper, but it was in practice for centuries. It may even be possible that the prayer of petition in the Ave existed for centuries and was simply not in popular use. I’m not an expert in these matters. There certainly were many other prayers of petition. Our own Holy Father St. Francis wrote several Marian prayers in the 13th century, some were praises and some petition. St. Bernard wrote the Memorare in the 12th century. That’s a prayer of petition.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
are others in this thread receiving pm’s from the OP that are concerning?
 
Since the Rosary is a meditation on the life of Christ, and contains the prayer that He Himself composed (the Our Father), and contains the message that the Father gave to our Blessed Mother (the Hail Mary - the first part is St Gabriel’s words), it is not suprising or wrong to say that the Rosary saves us BY bringing us to Christ who saves us through the Cross. The Rosary and Christ are not opposites, are not in competition with each other. Jesus saves us, but when we say the Rosary “saves us” it’s because it brings us TO Jesus 🙂 it helps us to respond to His salvation, grace, and the Cross.

If anyone would like to learn more about the Rosary, please read the book “Secret of the Rosary” by St Louis de Montfort 🙂

God bless
 
The rosary brings us closer to Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Virgin Mary as we develop a closer bond to them by praying the rosary.

Scaring people to pray the rosary is not a good approach at all. Showing the wonders and the beauty of the rosary is on the other hand a great way.
 
The rosary brings us closer to Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Virgin Mary as we develop a closer bond to them by praying the rosary.

Scaring people to pray the rosary is not a good approach at all. Showing the wonders and the beauty of the rosary is on the other hand a great way.
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BEAUTIFULLY SAID! I was scared to the point of avoiding it for a LONG time! It wasn’t until someone showed me how amazing it is, that I really embraced it and started understanding its power.

Love how you said this. I wish more people would grasp your concept!
 
are others in this thread receiving pm’s from the OP that are concerning?
Yes, I’ve had one, speaking of fighting for Our Lady’s honour to the last breath, or thereabouts. I can’t check the exact words as I deleted it.

I’ve read so many extreme posts since joining CA that I can’t say I was overly-concerned. Perhaps I should be.

But I have to say, the rebuke to me for my post was relatively mild. I was relieved, as I had expected worse when I saw the OP’s name in my PM inbox, I have to say,
 
Since the Rosary is a meditation on the life of Christ, and contains the prayer that He Himself composed (the Our Father), and contains the message that the Father gave to our Blessed Mother (the Hail Mary - the first part is St Gabriel’s words), it is not suprising or wrong to say that the Rosary saves us BY bringing us to Christ who saves us through the Cross. The Rosary and Christ are not opposites, are not in competition with each other. Jesus saves us, but when we say the Rosary “saves us” it’s because it brings us TO Jesus 🙂 it helps us to respond to His salvation, grace, and the Cross.

If anyone would like to learn more about the Rosary, please read the book “Secret of the Rosary” by St Louis de Montfort 🙂

God bless
Monica, I would never contradict you, neither in this life nor in the next. 😃

Having said that, I will share what I say to our men in formation. I’m the Formation Director of my community. Here goes.

**Every cutlure has its language. Language has shared meaning, so that the members of a specific culture use language that conveys these shared meanings.

We must remember that what is comprehensible to us, because we have a common culture is not always comprehensible to those outside of our culture. For those who are not Franciscans of Life, much of our language is foreign to them and can be easily be misunderstood. The meaning of a word to us is not the same to them.

It is of the utmost importance to remember that when we speak among ourselves we can omit words, restate them so that they are more poetic, use allegories and metaphors that are clear to us. Yet, these may be very unclear and even confuse those outside of our culture.

When speaking to those who are outside of our culture, it is important to double check to ensure that they have understood us and equally important to use words that they understand, but have a shared meaning with the words that we would use. This way the message remains constant, even when the words change.**

The language of St. Louie may not be appropriate for the non-Catholic or even for some Catholics.

I had a hard time understanding St.Louie until I read The Silence of Mary by Ignacio Larañaga, a Capuchin Franciscan. Friar Ignacio takes the theology of St. Louie and restates it in Franciscan and Augustinian language.

After reading The Silence of Mary, I went back to St. Louie and he made perfect sensse to me. I found that he was saying much more than what the average Catholic thinks he says. The average Catholic is not well trained in Augustine, Bonaventure and Duns Scotus. St. Louie was. He relies heavily on them in writing theology. He uses their methodology and their concepts in his language to sustain his thesis statement, which speaks about more than just the rosary. The rosary is the icing on the cake. It’s what he says about Mary’s role in salvation history, that is really the crux of his thesis.

I had trouble seeing beneath everything he said about the Rosary, until I saw Mary in my own cultural context using language with which I was familiar. Then St. Louie made all the sense in the world. Prior to that, I had no idea that he has borrowed from Augustine, Bonaventure and Scotus. I kept asking myself, “Where did he get this from?” I did not doubt his honestly or his intelligence, but I felt that his thesis lacked solid ground. It sounded very sentimental. I knew that St. Louie was not given to sentiment. He was an excellence cold and calculated theologian. This work on the Rosary was out of character, until I read Larañaga. Then Louie made sense.

What he did was to study everything he could find in Augustine, Bonaventure, and Scotus, formulate a thesis statement about Mary, then he set out to write his work on the Rosary. But in the book, he does not tell you about his prior research, because that was not the custom of the time. People wrote about their thesis, not about what led to it.

Many who are unafamiliar with the language that Catholics, Orthodox and Muslims use to talk about Mary are uncomfortable, because they have no idea where this language came from. We have to make an effort to say the same thing in language that they understand. We do this with many things.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
. . . It should say 1500s. St. Peter Canisius, a Jesuit allegedly added “Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners.” . . .
I recently read a couple books about the Rosary; in fact, I just posted a book review of one of them in the “Book Club” section of these forums:

“The Mystery of the Rosary” by Rev. Marc Tremeau, O.P.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=568369

According to that book, the second part of the “Hail Mary”, the petition to Mary, was introduced about 1440 by St. Bernardine of Siena.

I also have “The Secret of the Rosary” by St. Louis Grignion de Montfort, but am not planning to post a review. St. Louis is clearly a pious person, devoted to the Rosary, but I think the book is too wordy and not well-organized. A reader has to jump all over throughout the book to find a particular topic.
 
Br. JR, 🙂

I think I see what you are saying about language… I do not know much about theology at all, and I have never read Bonaventure (besides his Life of St Francis), and only very little of Augustine. (and I have never even heard of Duns Scotus). Considering this, I hope I did not misunderstand St Louis de Montfort when I read his works. I do agree with him though. At first I had a similar fear, - I couldn’t see where his writing fits in Catholic Tradition… I read that he was very knowledgeable though and quoted many other authors. I began to agree with him on the Rosary because - he was saying that it’s so powerful precisely because it’s a meditation on the life of Christ, and the prayers in it have divine origin. I figured, it must be very powerful then. Eventually, he wrote with so much conviction I began to believe him without wanting further explanation (whether that is good or bad, I can’t decide lol, but the result was good in that I began to pray the Rosary more). When I began to read the Secret of Mary though, it did not make any sense to me at all, and even seemed like idolatry. I’m a convert from Protestantism so maybe I got lost in all the language - as you described. I’m not entirely sure what happened, - I asked St Louis and Mary to help me understand it, and at some point it made sense and then I decided to read True Devotion. I still have very little knowledge however. I can’t describe devotion to Mary using history and Church Tradition, and mostly I read devotional books, though I’m working my way through St Alphonsus Liguori’s “Glories of Mary”. I guess what I’m trying to say is that what St Louis said makes sense to me but I don’t have enough knowledge to support anything, in order to to help a person who doesn’t agree with his points.

God bless 🙂
 
I recently read a couple books about the Rosary; in fact, I just posted a book review of one of them in the “Book Club” section of these forums:

“The Mystery of the Rosary” by Rev. Marc Tremeau, O.P.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=568369

According to that book, the second part of the “Hail Mary”, the petition to Mary, was introduced about 1440 by St. Bernardine of Siena.

I also have “The Secret of the Rosary” by St. Louis Grignion de Montfort, but am not planning to post a review. St. Louis is clearly a pious person, devoted to the Rosary, but I think the book is too wordy and not well-organized. A reader has to jump all over throughout the book to find a particular topic.
It’s my impression that De Montfort’s books are more mystical than apologetic… I might be wrong. They do contain a lot of information and I’m sure are based on Church Tradition, - and as Br JR said his spirituality is in accordance with the writings of other Saints… probably much of his information comes from other sources. Yet when the books are read, they read almost like something he wrote during prayer. Maybe he did 🙂 I dont know. I personally like that style but I guess not all do, it depends what you’re looking for. There is something about them; like the Holy Spirit can definitely use them.
 
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