Mary and the Serpent

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Could someone tell me in what Bible passage does our Blessed Virgin Mary crush the head of the Sepent?
 
Hi Kayla,

You probably are thinking of Genesis 3:15. Also take a look at Romans 16:17-20.

If you do a search of “Mary and Serpent” here on the forums you will find alot of discussion on this topic!

That help at all?
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Hi Kayla,

You probably are thinking of Genesis 3:15. Also take a look at Romans 16:17-20.

If you do a search of “Mary and Serpent” here on the forums you will find alot of discussion on this topic!

That help at all?
VC
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Probably, someone familiar with Bible typology knew that the Moon is a Bible type for Satan, and was “translating” Revelation 12:1 by substituting the Satan serpent in for the Moon as the thing under the feet of the Woman who is mother of the Child Who will rule the world with an iron rod, Christ.
 
Any time we choose to do God’s will we crush Satan’s head. Mary did this when she said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” (Luke 1:38) She did this in a special way here because her fiat actually resulted in the Incarnation of our Saviour and Redeemer, Jesus Christ.
 
Todd Easton:
Anytime we choose to do God’s will, we crush Satan’s head. Mary did this when she said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” (Luke 1:38) She did this in a special way here because her fiat actually resulted in the Incarnation of our Saviour and Redeemer, Jesus Christ.
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She is also crushing the serpent’s head on the Miraculous Medal which she had St. Catherine Laboure strike.

Likewise, she is trampling the Aztec serpent-moon god on the tilma depicting the miraculous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe.
 
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Likewise, she is trampling the Aztec serpent-moon god on the tilma depicting the miraculous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe.
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Wow! If you’re right, that’s a cool coincidence!
 
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BibleReader:
Wow! If you’re right, that’s a cool coincidence!
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This is a pretty good explanation of the pictograph:
ourladyofguadalupe.org/ologimage.htm

She is very similar to the woman in Revelation: clothed in the sun, moon at her feet, but instead of crown of stars, she has the Aztec symbol of royalty, the turquise mantle, covered in stars.

Likewise she is blocking out the sun-god and trampling the stone serpent moon-god.

Some people think that crescent at her feet will mean she will eventually convert the Muslims as well.
 
I was fortunate enough to see the tilma. What a grace that was! It is very beautiful – breathtaking, captivating.

In the image Mary is wearing a black sash high up, which evidently represented to the Aztecs a “maternity sash”. The indication here is that Mary is very close to giving birth.

The tilma was an amazing sign to them – an evangelization tool. Because the next obvious question was “Who is she giving birth to? Who is her child?”

If you take all of these things in conjunction: Gen 3:15, Rev 12, Rom 16, the miraculous medal, Our Lady of Guadalupe, and the “sense of the faithful” you get the wonderful image of Our Lady crushing the serpents head.
 
Verbum Caro:
I was fortunate enough to see the tilma. What a grace that was! It is very beautiful – breathtaking, captivating.

In the image Mary is wearing a black sash high up, which evidently represented to the Aztecs a “maternity sash”. The indication here is that Mary is very close to giving birth.

The tilma was an amazing sign to them – an evangelization tool. Because the next obvious question was “Who is she giving birth to? Who is her child?”

If you take all of these things in conjunction: Gen 3:15, Rev 12, Rom 16, the miraculous medal, Our Lady of Guadalupe, and the “sense of the faithful” you get the wonderful image of Our Lady crushing the serpents head.
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And then, of course, there are the amazing microscopic people on the pupils of Mary on the tilma…

sancta.org/eyes.html
 
kayla said:
Could someone tell me in what Bible passage does our Blessed Virgin Mary crush the head of the Sepent?
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Eve was tempted and seduced by Eve in the garden of Eden.
Satan had struck mankind in the heel. [the fall]
Mary chose God,s will over her own when she submitted herself without reservation to the will of God. Through humility and obedience to the will of God she crushed the head of the serpent.

“Behold the handmaid of the Lord. Let it be unto me according to thy word.” This should be the will and the choice of every child of God.
Her words are few in scripture but they are pure gold!
“Do whatever He tells you.”
I hope this helps a little.
Bill
 
kayla said:
Could someone tell me in what Bible passage does our Blessed Virgin Mary crush the head of the Sepent?
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The reading ipse conteret (= “he/it shall crush”) in the Vulgate translation of Gen.3.15 was at some stage miscopied as ipsa conteret (= “she/it shall crush”).​

As Gen.3.15 had by then long been understood (specifically, since St. Irenaeus) as a prediction or foreshadowing of the victory of Christ over satan, “the old serpent” of Rev. 12.9, it was not difficult to see the reading ipsa as a reference to the BVM in particular. Nonetheless, the reading ipsa
  • is a misreading of the text of the Vulgate, although an ancient one
  • does not represent the Hebrew of Gen.3.15
  • occurs in a verse which is in any case not Messianic
  • & so, misrepresents the meaning of the Hebrew text
  • & is therefore not found in the Neo-Vulgata of 1979
    The BVM does nonetheless count as trampling the head of the serpent, if we look at Romans 16, where the Roman Christians are described as “trampling satan underfoot”. What they are said to do, can legitimately be said tobe something all Christians do on the same basis as they. And as the BVM is a Christian, she can be said to “trample satan underfoot”.
It goes without saying that Christians do this only in Christ - not outside of Him. The same applies to her - so she is not a co-trampler of satan, just as we are not; instead, all Christians trample satan only “within”, in the strength of, in dependence & subjection to, Christ. So the BVM is our fellow-Christian, & not our co-redemptrix or co-saviour or co-head; because as J. H. Newman points out, she is our fellow (& conversely, we are hers).

The OT can be seen as being ultimately a Christian literature - so can its parts - & so can Gen. 3.15. In that sense, which comes from reading the OT in the light of faith in Christ, Gen. 3.15 is Messianic. Taken as a text in the Hebrew Bible, it is not Messianic.

The Christological sense of that verse is an applied sense, not the proper sense of the text as it was written: after all, pre-Christian Israelites & Jews did not have a Christology. The Marian interpretation of the text is an offshoot of the applied sense.
  • The first reading comes from having a Christian POV
  • the second reading comes from looking at the passage in its historical context.
    • both are legitimate approaches to the text, but in different ways.
      So:
    1. A misreading is a misreading - it is not clear how ipsa becomes the correct reading of the text merely by being old, if it is not old enough to be the correct reading of the Latin.
    1. Even if it had been the only reading in the Latin tradition of the text of Genesis 3.15, that would not make it the only rendering in the entire Christian tradition - one cannot correct the LXX of the passage into auté (=“she”), by using the Vulgate.
    1. And even if “she” were the only rendering of the text among Christians, that would not make it an accurate rendering of the Hebrew.
      The proper & applied senses of Gen. 3 are clarified by:
  • the Temptation-narratives in Matthew 4 & Luke 4
  • Psalm 90
  • Romans 16
  • & just about any other texts which put together serpents, desert places, demons, & trampling on these.
    Hope that helps
 
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