Mary as Co-redemptrix

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Hi, I was wondering as to why Mary is a co redeemer. I thought christ was the only redeemer… I really want to be catholic its just Mary is my biggest stumbling block . Can someone help me wrap my head around her?
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Hi, I was wondering as to why Mary is a co redeemer. I thought christ was the only redeemer… I really want to be catholic its just Mary is my biggest stumbling block . Can someone help me wrap my head around her?
Than you!

God bless!
the Latin prefix ‘Co’ does not mean ‘the same as’.

Look at the word ‘cooperate’ co (with ogether) +operea (work ask). To work together.

We cooperate with God to be Saved (we accept the gift of Faith, for example), but that does not mean that we are the ones who are doing the Saving. But we are not Saved without our cooperation. Without our personal ‘Co’ we are not personally Saved. But it doesn’t mean that we are our own Savior.

Mary had a unique role in our Redemption. She was the vessel of the Incarnation. Through her, Christ came into the world. So it was through her ‘Co’ that our Redemption happened. But similarly, that does not mean that she is the Redeemer.

So to state that Mary is Co-redemptrix makes no more of a claim on her as a Redeemer that saying that our Salvation hinges on our cooperation with God’s Grace makes us a Savior.

Does that help?
 
But neither has Mary been declared “Co-redemptrix” by the Church, and I believe when he was Pope, Benedict came out against this.
 
The Church has never declared Our Lady to be the Co-redemptrix. She, who all generations will call blessed, is only woman. God, in Christ our Redeemer is the only hope for our salvation. I have the greatest devotion to Mary and her fiat gave us her beloved Son. However she would be the first to move into His shadow knowing the place of even the most perfect human conceived without sin before her God.
She shines most beautifully always in His reflection.
 
the Latin prefix ‘Co’ does not mean ‘the same as’.

Look at the word ‘cooperate’ co (with ogether) +operea (work ask). To work together.

We cooperate with God to be Saved (we accept the gift of Faith, for example), but that does not mean that we are the ones who are doing the Saving. But we are not Saved without our cooperation. Without our personal ‘Co’ we are not personally Saved. But it doesn’t mean that we are our own Savior.

Mary had a unique role in our Redemption. She was the vessel of the Incarnation. Through her, Christ came into the world. So it was through her ‘Co’ that our Redemption happened. But similarly, that does not mean that she is the Redeemer.

So to state that Mary is Co-redemptrix makes no more of a claim on her as a Redeemer that saying that our Salvation hinges on our cooperation with God’s Grace makes us a Savior.

Does that help?
That is a great answer. I watched Father Pacwa of EWTN debate Walter Martin on the issue of Mary as CoRedeemer. Unfortunately , Father Pacwa fell into Walter Martins words that “Co” means “with” argument. I was surprised Father Pacwa didn’t use the “cooperative” argument. Then again, I’m not entirely sure that “cooperative” is a teaching of the church. Maybe Father Pacwa’s understanding was a different understanding than “cooperative”. I can’t figure why he wouldn’t have used it.
 
But neither has Mary been declared “Co-redemptrix” by the Church, and I believe when he was Pope, Benedict came out against this.
I don’t believe that he “came out against this.” He simply chose not to define this as dogma (which would have been a significant development), or actively use that title for Our Lady. That is a very different thing.
 
Hi, I was wondering as to why Mary is a co redeemer. I thought christ was the only redeemer… I really want to be catholic its just Mary is my biggest stumbling block . Can someone help me wrap my head around her?
Than you!

God bless!
Others have already stated that this title is not official Church teaching. A committee that advices the pope examined the title and adviced against it because it could be taken the way that you have taken it–to mean that Mary is our Redeemer, which she decidedly is not.

However, she, like all of us, are co-workers with Christ, as St. Paul tells us. Her cooperation with God’s grace was unique since she alone conceived and bore the Christ. So we give her more veneration than other saints. But veneration is to honor not to adore/worship. The Church uses the terms latria–to laud/adore/worship for God alone. Dulia/veneration for the saints and hyperdulia/exalted honor for Mary. All this is due to Jesus’ redemption–it all points to him and not to Mary for herself or to any saint for his/her sake alone. The glorious deeds the Holy Spirit did through Mary and the saints is all glory for Christ, his Father and the Holy Spirit.
 
It is better to put forth official Catholic teaching rather than private revelation.
If he reads it will explain it better than anything, plus its approved by the Catholic Church to read. Anyway Mary as Co-redemptrix has not been approved by the Church so whats your
problem.
 
Having been educated in a Marianist School, I developed a strong devotion to Mary.

Our Lady has many titles both spiritual and honorary. I remember when title of “Co-Redemptrix” was being discussed in theological circles. I thought it would be very cool. I understood the principle…without Mary we may not have had a Redeemer…but something didn’t seem right.

Our Lady and I may not be on a first name basis but I think I know her pretty well. She is the essence of humility. If we asked her if she would like to be known as “Co-Redemptrix” she would graciously defer to her Son. She would probably say: “He is THE Redeemer…do whatever He tells you.”
 
Hi, I was wondering as to why Mary is a co redeemer. I thought christ was the only redeemer… I really want to be catholic its just Mary is my biggest stumbling block . Can someone help me wrap my head around her?
Than you!

God bless!
In a way it’s probably best to understand this co-redemptrix term not as a theoretical teaching of the Church … but as the plan God opted for in actuality.** Mary was chosen by God. Agreed to the choice and followed God’s plan - and became forever a part of THE salvation story. Her “yes” to God’s plan sealed that covenant. A covenant by which WE are saved. The** -ix** suffix at the end of the word indicates femininity - and part of what God’s plan put right is the correction of Eve’s disobedience by Mary’s belief and obedience. In Christ, the new Adam obeys and opens paradise through His sacrifice to correct the sin of Adam (… breaking a covenant by not keeping a much easier single law, and forgoing the sacrifice of “not eating the fruit” his wife offered him).

Point by point, to help you (us) understand:

I was wondering as to why Mary is a co redeemer. That Mary was involved at all was GOD’s doing in the first place. BUT as she accepted and kept the covenant offered, Mary like “Father Abraham” had a co-part in our redemption story.

I thought christ was the only redeemer… Yes He was and IS. And Mary is never posited as “redeemer” or even “alternate redeemer”. Nor is Jesus referred to as co-redeemer (which would be the case if an equality were implied).

If an airline designates a Captain and a Co-Captain … who is in charge per rank is clear. The Captain can as part of his leadership delegate major responsibilities to the Co-captain (who should be prepared to do the task delegated). In a way this is what Christ did with His Church (which co-redeems us via baptism, teaching, forgiving sins in his name, etc.).

I really want to be catholic its just Mary is my biggest stumbling block . Can someone help me wrap my head around her? Mary was the last gift Jesus gave mankind before dying on the cross. He told John (the most faithful apostle at that point) “There is your Mother …”. He directed Mary that John was her son too. She has a place in salvation history that by placement cannot be denied.

Even should that term “co-redeemer” seem a barrier - a Bible Study of Mary reveals some astounding things (that are missed if one dismisses her as)
  • somehow NOT a part of God’s plan
  • or a negligible part or (and people sometimes do this),
  • a part of the salvation story to be actively discarded, avoided, even opposed
  • for fear that the Mother might eclipse the Son! Or some such sophistry.
Christ opted to include man in his own salvation. Man could never have saved himself …but Christ has finished His part of the needed work. We can be saved now – even though Christ Himself has not appeared to us in the flesh (but in the Eucharist) and spoken to us (but through the Church - which would include whoever taught us the faith, baptized us, forgave our sins in Christ’s name, instructed us formally via the scriptures).

ONE way He included man is in deciding to become man, born of a woman. Scripture calls Christ the new Adam. The first Adam was made without a mother via the hand of God. Jesus is God made flesh through agreement with a faithful woman named Mary (as opposed to the fleshly “mother of all living” Eve, who was created sinless but was UNfaithful to God’s covenant). Eve was a spouse, Mary a Mother. Each created sinless by God’s will. Mary is “blessed among women” (including Eve) according to nothing less than a message from God borne by an angel!

If one goes to the end of the Bible, the conclusion of Revelation, the union of Christ with his redeemed Church is depicted as His Marriage with His Bride (also sinless, without spot or wrinkle … and filled with the Holy Spirit). This depiction of US as Christ’s bride is a joyful thing … even if it causes us (men especially?) to do a bit of seeking and finding into some of the sublime mysteries surrounding this.

Mary is the only person I know of officially to be called co-Redeemer – but in a sense weren’t Peter and the apostles who dispensed saving grace to people who’d never seen Jesus also “part of the salvation” of those people and in a sense “co-redeemers” by Christ’s delegation and power? Notwithstanding that Peter’s being crucified was not the SAME as Christ’s redemptive one - but certainly a beautiful reflection of that sacrifice in Peter’s martyrdom.

It’s to be remembered that Mary calls herself God’s handmaid (servant) and God her redeemer (both in Luke Chapter One). She never claims equality with God, but the Holy Spirit filled Elizabeth attests that she “believed in the word,” was “blessed among women,” and was “the Mother of my Lord …”. Thus the Holy Spirit revealed that the unborn Jesus was yet Elizabeth’s Lord and Mary, even then, His Mother. Mary (as most blessed among women) is also depicted in Revelation 12 as being clothed in the Sun with the moon beneath her feet (crowned by whom? But clearly in glory!).

In both Genesis 3 where God prophesies He will put enmity between the snake (Satan) and “the Woman” and their respective offspring, and in Revelation 12 where a persecution of the Church (the woman who gave birth to the ruler of all nations who ascended into heaven) is conducted by the devil (now grown from a snake into a celestial dragon - yet still not able to do all the destruction he wanted to).

In the end, Christ the Redeemer wins the final victory. But before He does, saints in heaven are seen interceding with the Lord to act quickly to aid his servants on earth.
 
voxpopuli.org/booktext.php < I have not read through this all. BUT …

It is a publication that has both a

NIHIL OBSTAT (nothing objectional) designation - Father James Dunfee, Censor Librorum

and is published under the IMPRIMATUR of a Catholic Bishop - Most Reverend Gilbert Sheldon, Bishop of Steubenville, March 7, 1995.

One of the Chapters below (in red) alludes to a debate on whether the Church can dogmatically define the Spiritual Motherhood of Mary. That is, part of the book includes debate - not just declarations.
Table of Contents
BOOK 1
Introduction by Mark I. Miravalle, S.T.D.
Mary Coredemptrix In the Light of Patristics by Rev. Bertrand de Margerie, S.J. Translated by Salwa Hamati, Ph.D.
Mary as Coredemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate in the Contemporary Roman Liturgy by Rev. Arthur Burton Calkins
Mary, Coredemptrix, Mediatrix, Advocate: Instrument of Catholic-Orthodox Unity by Rev. Michael O’Carroll, C.S.Sp.
Mary Coredemptrix in Scripture: Cooperation in Redemption by Rev. William G. Most
The Mediation of the Mother of Jesus at the Incarnation: An Exegetical Study by Rev. Ignace de la Potterie, S.J.
Can the Church Define Dogmatically The Spiritual Motherhood of Mary? Objections and Answers by Rev. Bertrand de Margerie, S.J. Translated by Salwa Hamati, Ph.D.
Mary, Coredemptrix: The Significance of Her Title in the Magisterium of The Church by Rev. John A. Schug, O.F.M. Cap. and Dr. Mark I. Miravalle, S.T.D.
Mary, Coredemptrix, Mediatrix, Advocate: Foundational Presence in Divine Revelation by Prof. Mark I. Miravalle, S.T.D.
Reading this now … with the solace that it has an Imprimatur. 🙂

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprimatur < Wikipedia, but with footnotes to Canon law etc.
In the Catholic Church an** imprimatur** is an official declaration by a Church authority that a book or other printed work may be published;[1][2] it is usually only applied for and granted to books on religious topics from a Catholic perspective.
The grant of imprimatur is normally preceded by a favourable declaration (known as a nihil obstat)[3] by a person who has the knowledge, orthodoxy and prudence necessary for passing a judgement about the absence from the publication of anything that would “harm correct faith or good morals”[4] In canon law such a person is known as a censor[5] or sometimes as a censor librorum (Latin for “censor of books”).
In this context, the word “censor” does not have the negative sense of prohibiting, but instead refers to the person’s function of evaluating–whether positively or negatively-- the doctrinal content of the publication.[6] The episcopal conference may draw up a list of persons who can suitably act as censors or can set up a commission that can be consulted, but each ordinary may make his own choice of person to act as censor.[7]
An imprimatur is not an endorsement by the bishop of the contents of a book, not even of the religious opinions expressed in it, being merely a declaration about what is not in the book.[8] In the published work, the imprimatur is sometimes accompanied by a declaration of the following tenor:
The nihil obstat and imprimatur are declarations that a book or pamphlet is free of doctrinal or moral error. No implication is contained therein that those who have granted the nihil obstat or imprimatur agree with the contents, opinions or statements expressed.[9]
HOPE IT HELPS! :angel1:
 
Zoltan Cobalt and CaptFun,…thank you for the excellent posts.
The excellence is in the subject! 😃

I also write about baseball … which is less sublime. But FUN in its own right. Or is that rite? 😉

Anyway thanks Dorothy. 🙂

And Zoltan Cobalt on a motion second!
 
That is a great answer. I watched Father Pacwa of EWTN debate Walter Martin on the issue of Mary as CoRedeemer. Unfortunately , Father Pacwa fell into Walter Martins words that “Co” means “with” argument. I was surprised Father Pacwa didn’t use the “cooperative” argument. .
Dr. Martin’s theology is heavily Calvinist, especially on the concept of Limited Atonement and Unconditional Election.

Dr Martin would hold that there is an Elect, they Elect are saved from the beginning of time and cannot lose their salvation. The Non-Elect cannot achieve salvation.

So the argument of co-operation would have no impact. The Calvinist model is there is no cooperation, rather God chooses whom He will Save and who He will not.

The OP’s tag listed a Baptist background. Baptist theology generally calls for the person to repent and accept Christ as their Lord and Savior. Thus the example of cooperating with God would ring true, while it would not with a Calvinist like Walter Martin

So this Fr. Pacwa was probably deliberately staying away from the ‘co-operate’ example because he knew his opponent.
 
Hi, I was wondering as to why Mary is a co redeemer. I thought christ was the only redeemer… I really want to be catholic its just Mary is my biggest stumbling block . Can someone help me wrap my head around her?
Than you!

God bless!
Christ is the Redeemer. Mary is Queen of Heaven and the Mother of God. She therefore has a special relationship to the Son. That this would be the case should be obvious. She bore Christ as her Son and was His mother here on earth. We pray to Mary to intercede on our behalf.
 
God Himself decided to ASK Mary for involvement in the plan of redemption, and ASK her permission to CO operate so His Son could be Incarnate and enter mankind to carry all our sins, pay our price to enter Heaven, defeat death, rise again and give us the Ressurrection.
He sent an angel to her to do this. God himself even praised Our Lady through the angel.

God has placed Mary as the highest saint (but yes Our Lady is a creature, but was sinless). Although God is infinite and The greatest in heaven.

God promised us He would send Our Lady to have the job of crushing the head of satan. It’s in genesis and revelation. Jesus also gave Our Lady to mankind as our mother from the cross, ‘Woman, behold your son.’ He gave her to us as our mother. Does a mother not pray and help her children from Heaven? Does she not listen and pray more promptly than any other relation we could have in Heaven?
God has a mission for each angel and saint.

He gave Our Lady the greatest mission of any saint (we know Jesus alone redeemed us, and gained every grace for us)
We ask her to ask God to help us. We do not worship the saints, we ask them to pray for us. And their prayers are as powerful as any of your friends on earth who might pray for you.

Yes God the Trinity is infinite and the only source of grace and mercy. But he listens to prayers to pour out His grace on us.
God especially loves to listen to and answer Our Lady’s prayers for us, more than anyone on earth’s prayers or any saint in Heaven.

We worship God, who alone redeemed mankind, but Our Lady is God’s greatest saint and God listens to her prayers most promptly

Jesus alone is the Redeemer.
Mary is co redeemer because God asked her permission to be mother of His Son, and to live a life as Jesus mother would of course mean His Passion caused her more suffering than any other soul -because she watched it as a mum. As Jesus suffered offering His pains to God for our sins.
Hi, I was wondering as to why Mary is a co redeemer. I thought christ was the only redeemer… I really want to be catholic its just Mary is my biggest stumbling block . Can someone help me wrap my head around her?
Than you!

God bless!
 
the Latin prefix ‘Co’ does not mean ‘the same as’.

Look at the word ‘cooperate’ co (with ogether) +operea (work ask). To work together.

We cooperate with God to be Saved (we accept the gift of Faith, for example), but that does not mean that we are the ones who are doing the Saving. But we are not Saved without our cooperation. Without our personal ‘Co’ we are not personally Saved. But it doesn’t mean that we are our own Savior.

Mary had a unique role in our Redemption. She was the vessel of the Incarnation. Through her, Christ came into the world. So it was through her ‘Co’ that our Redemption happened. But similarly, that does not mean that she is the Redeemer.

So to state that Mary is Co-redemptrix makes no more of a claim on her as a Redeemer that saying that our Salvation hinges on our cooperation with God’s Grace makes us a Savior.

Does that help?
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the Latin prefix ‘Co’ does not mean ‘the same as’.

Look at the word ‘cooperate’ co (with ogether) +operea (work ask). To work together.

We cooperate with God to be Saved (we accept the gift of Faith, for example), but that does not mean that we are the ones who are doing the Saving. But we are not Saved without our cooperation. Without our personal ‘Co’ we are not personally Saved. But it doesn’t mean that we are our own Savior.

Mary had a unique role in our Redemption. She was the vessel of the Incarnation. Through her, Christ came into the world. So it was through her ‘Co’ that our Redemption happened. But similarly, that does not mean that she is the Redeemer.

So to state that Mary is Co-redemptrix makes no more of a claim on her as a Redeemer that saying that our Salvation hinges on our cooperation with God’s Grace makes us a Savior.

Does that help?
Well said… And spot on.

Mary is the co-redemtrix in the same sense that we are are co-redeemers. The title does nothing but add confusion. I personally avoid and make a point to have anyone who uses it clarify what they mean by… Most can’t defend its use
 
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