Mary as Immaculate Conception

[Monte1945]

Then you are calling the Bible a lie, and the Carechizm true…You are in a scary spot…the Bible is the word of God, the Catechizm is the word of man…Lets see, which should we read and follow…Yes I sincerely believe it, the Bible that is…You show me the lie that I have told…In the Bible…Not what you think because I don’t care what you think, I care what the Bible has to say.

Mary can be a bit much for most non-catholics as she is not taught in most
of their churches… And as Catholics we have always been exposed to her.
and I can well understand your view of her. If one was to use the bible alone
to attempt to understand her value to catholics.

I think some plain explaining to you might be helpful… at least it is my intentions.

I think that if one wants to begin to understand the Marian doctrines
of the Catholic church… one has to start with the fact… that
whether one includes Mary in their christian life or not…

"She has NOTHING to do directly with one’s pesonal SALVATION.

There are some means to Grace that the church demands of her children

but the Marian doctrine is not one of them.

In order to find the true value of Mary to a catholic you have to understand
that we believe in the “communion of Saints”. Which means we believe
our prayers can be heard from members of the faith who have died and
passed on into the presence of God. (we get this from John’s vision in
the book of Revelations)

We know from scripture that Mary was able to petition Jesus for the the people’s
need of wine at the marriage feast… He certainly told her he didn’t feel it was
anything to him… but yet, he did as she asked…

We feel that Mary has a real concern for us and our needs and we know
that She can get Jesus to hear our needs and these needs can be presented
to God from the scriptures of Rev. 5:8 and in Rev 8 (I can’t recall the verse number)
and not only by her but by the 24 elders of the church… which we feel is past
member of the church here and who have since died and are in front of the throne
of God…

Praying and asking the Angels, past Saints to pray for us goes back as far as
our Fathers of the church are recorded… and that goes back a long long time.
it is one of our tradtions…

I might add, there is that Lady who has been appearing to different people for over
six hundred years… and in many different places… And where ever she has appeared
there have been miracles performed from healings of illness which many of them
were instant and their doctors have claimed that many of them were from their
opinions noncurable. Some of these things are very difficult to ignore…

I can imagine what you might feel towards her as you have not ever been taught
from your chruch’s elders. But I think that we might consider what Jesus said
when he was accused of healing from the power of the devil…he said…

" judge me by my works to see if they be of God or the devil"…

Now I think if you were to use that same measure towards Blessed Mother Mary,
you might see that her works have all been good… Well those cripple people who
were healed would certainly think so…

Now if you had a loved one who was suffering from some terrible disease… wouldn’t
it be nice if God provided a way to get them free from their suffering if they might
visit one of those places where that lady appeared ?

You might seek out some of the information on her and those appearances
you might have a change of attitude about her… She can make a great
witness to the lost of our world… and there are a lot of people who can go
to their mothers a lot easier than their fathers… and isn’t it wonderful that the
catholic church has given us this wonderful means to the blessing of our Lord?

I think that she is a great comforter of women christians who can go to her
as another mother or sister and have a little private talk with her…
I have never heard of one thing she is suppose to have done to hurt God’s
image on earth… or to the christian expressions of our world… and throughout
the last 2000 years…

She is your mother too… “behold thy mother” Jesus said on the cross…
I have always thought of that as meaning our mother… and not that Mary
just need a home to live in… That can’t be can it? I mean if you persist in
believing that she had a bunch of other children after Jesus… If she had
all of these younger children… as Jesus was the first born and oldest,
then why didn’t they take her to their home? Jesus wouldn’t have needed
to find her a home…

You have her as your mother too… and God gave her too you. You can
ask her to help you receive God’s blessings and for her to petition her son
for some of you and your family’s needs… If any two of you, will ask
in my name it shall be granted to you… You and Mary add to two…

You might want to read rev 5 and 8 and see if you can’t find where
it is that the communion of saints is from scripture and then
you won’t have this hang up regarding her… She is a real blessing.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Mary can be a bit much for most non-catholics as she is not taught in most
of their churches… And as Catholics we have always been exposed to her.
and I can well understand your view of her. If one was to use the bible alone
to attempt to understand her value to catholics.

I think some plain explaining to you might be helpful… at least it is my intentions.

I think that if one wants to begin to understand the Marian doctrines
of the Catholic church… one has to start with the fact… that
whether one includes Mary in their christian life or not…

"She has NOTHING to do directly with one’s pesonal SALVATION.

There are some means to Grace that the church demands of her children

but the Marian doctrine is not one of them.

In order to find the true value of Mary to a catholic you have to understand
that we believe in the “communion of Saints”. Which means we believe
our prayers can be heard from members of the faith who have died and
passed on into the presence of God. (we get this from John’s vision in
the book of Revelations)

We know from scripture that Mary was able to petition Jesus for the the people’s
need of wine at the marriage feast… He certainly told her he didn’t feel it was
anything to him… but yet, he did as she asked…

We feel that Mary has a real concern for us and our needs and we know
that She can get Jesus to hear our needs and these needs can be presented
to God from the scriptures of Rev. 5:8 and in Rev 8 (I can’t recall the verse number)
and not only by her but by the 24 elders of the church… which we feel is past
member of the church here and who have since died and are in front of the throne
of God…

Praying and asking the Angels, past Saints to pray for us goes back as far as
our Fathers of the church are recorded… and that goes back a long long time.
it is one of our tradtions…

I might add, there is that Lady who has been appearing to different people for over
six hundred years… and in many different places… And where ever she has appeared
there have been miracles performed from healings of illness which many of them
were instant and their doctors have claimed that many of them were from their
opinions noncurable. Some of these things are very difficult to ignore…

I can imagine what you might feel towards her as you have not ever been taught
from your chruch’s elders. But I think that we might consider what Jesus said
when he was accused of healing from the power of the devil…he said…

" judge me by my works to see if they be of God or the devil"…

Now I think if you were to use that same measure towards Blessed Mother Mary,
you might see that her works have all been good… Well those cripple people who
were healed would certainly think so…

Now if you had a loved one who was suffering from some terrible disease… wouldn’t
it be nice if God provided a way to get them free from their suffering if they might
visit one of those places where that lady appeared ?

You might seek out some of the information on her and those appearances
you might have a change of attitude about her… She can make a great
witness to the lost of our world… and there are a lot of people who can go
to their mothers a lot easier than their fathers… and isn’t it wonderful that the
catholic church has given us this wonderful means to the blessing of our Lord?

I think that she is a great comforter of women christians who can go to her
as another mother or sister and have a little private talk with her…
I have never heard of one thing she is suppose to have done to hurt God’s
image on earth… or to the christian expressions of our world… and throughout
the last 2000 years…

She is your mother too… “behold thy mother” Jesus said on the cross…
I have always thought of that as meaning our mother… and not that Mary
just need a home to live in… That can’t be can it? I mean if you persist in
believing that she had a bunch of other children after Jesus… If she had
all of these younger children… as Jesus was the first born and oldest,
then why didn’t they take her to their home? Jesus wouldn’t have needed
to find her a home…

You have her as your mother too… and God gave her too you. You can
ask her to help you receive God’s blessings and for her to petition her son
for some of you and your family’s needs… If any two of you, will ask
in my name it shall be granted to you… You and Mary add to two…

You might want to read rev 5 and 8 and see if you can’t find where
it is that the communion of saints is from scripture and then
you won’t have this hang up regarding her… She is a real blessing.

Monte1945…I was raised Catholic and do know all about Mary. The communion of Saints is also in the Aposltes Creed. You wrote a very caring and sweet explanation of your feelings for Mary, and if you want to pray to her, that is fine. I choose not to. Jesus is the only medeator to the Father, according to scripture, and Jesus is sitting at the Right hand of the Father interceeding for us continually. There was a reason that this was put in scripture. Thank you very much for the time and caring you have shown, but on this I differ. One other thing. Jesus gave Mary to John as his mother and visa versa…no other names where mentioned. It was not to take her home, nor did it say that. Perhaps John no longer had his mother, and since he and Jesus were so close this was a jesture of His love for John…

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Um…not sure how familiar you are with online forums, but you seriously need to calm down. Charity in posting is a requirement, not a suggestion.

I was not upset…I used big letters because big red letters were used to get my attention, and I was being told that I did not answer posts. If you read all the way to the end I even made a comment about how big the letters were…I was nnot in the least upset…you cannot tell upset by the size of the letters, at least from me…I am very calm, believe me. thanks for your concern.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Yes, and Mary was the human, and God the Divine…Yes Jesus was God made man. Now He is back on the throne sitting at the right hand of His Father.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Are you suggesting that Jesus is some kind of hybrid, half-human half-God? Because that’s how I’m reading this.

Jesus is 100% God and 100% man, the eternal Word [Logos] made flesh, as John says. That’s the mystery of the Incarnation.

Yes, but He was both.

 

[zach_dunn]

Yes, and Mary was the human, and God the Divine…Yes Jesus was God made man. Now He is back on the throne sitting at the right hand of His Father.

Now, if we used your example of descent (Italian, Irish, and English), Jesus would be only half God and half man, this is not so.

 

[zach_dunn]

Yes, but He was both.

Yup, and by your analogy you believe Him to be half of each.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

I guess in a nutshell that is it. I respect Mary, because it took alot of courage on her part to obay God and do this…She was a willing vessel and thats what God uses…willing vessels…If she would not have done it, believe me Gods plan would have gone on with someone else, because His plans are never late or early, but right on time. He did know however that Mary would do it. I do not hold her in the esteem you do, however that is my choice. If you want to pray to her fine, I however will not.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Yup, and by your analogy you believe Him to be half of each.

I said that He was God made man…He had to be in human form to perform His earthly duties, or He would not have had to come to earth at all. He was still God…no he was not half and half.

 

[adriancombe]

Monte1945…I was raised Catholic and do know all about Mary. The communion of Saints is also in the Aposltes Creed. You wrote a very caring and sweet explanation of your feelings for Mary, and if you want to pray to her, that is fine. I choose not to. Jesus is the only mediator to the Father, according to scripture, and Jesus is sitting at the Right hand of the Father interceeding for us continually. There was a reason that this was put in scripture. Thank you very much for the time and caring you have shown, but on this I differ. One other thing. Jesus gave Mary to John as his mother and visa versa…no other names where mentioned. It was not to take her home, nor did it say that. Perhaps John no longer had his mother, and since he and Jesus were so close this was a jesture of His love for John…

No. The bible doesn’t say Jesus is the only mediator. Please read post below copied from another thread. Originally from justaservant with me piggybacking.

Re: Proper understanding of “One Mediator between God and Men”
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustaServant
If we go back and read the beginning of that chapter, we see that just before Paul calls Jesus the “one mediator”, he urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. What is he doing? He is appealing for MEDIATION from others besides Christ. Why? Certainly not because Jesus can not handle the job. Being God, Jesus can do anything but because God is our Father and we are His children, God invites us to participate in Christ’s role as mediator just as Jesus invites us to pick up our cross and follow Him in His suffering. So, although Jesus Christ is the sole mediator between God and man, there are many intercessors or subordinate mediators.
Piggybacking on this:

The Nestle Aland Greek English New Testament indicates this verse is a poem in three parts:

εις γάρ Θεός
εις και μεσιτης Θεού και ανθρώπων
ανθρωπος Χριστός Ιησους

I also note the word μόνος (only) does not occur here - that is ‘eisegesis’ on the part of some translators. There is no definite article in the verse. Since the indefinite article does not exist in biblical Greek (and is therefore implied) a literal translation would read:

For one (is) God
One also (is) a mediator of God and humans
a human Anointed Jesus

Since the word used here for ‘one’ is the same used to indicate union of persons in other passsages (e.g. John 17:21, Matt 19:6) it follows this is more likely an allusion to the Trinity than an attempt to limit mediation to one person - which, as already noted, would contradict the immediately preceding context.

 

[zach_dunn]

I said that He was God made man…He had to be in human form to perform His earthly duties, or He would not have had to come to earth at all. He was still God…no he was not half and half.

If He was, as you say (and I agree), fully God while in Mary’s womb, and was birthed by her, that would make her the Theotokos, or God-bearer; aka, the Mother of God.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Yes, Jharek. I think this is another example of many ex-Catholics’ poor catechesis.

They leave what they* think* is the Catholic church (the church that “deifies” Mary, does not have Scripture in the Mass, does not read the Bible,), only to find–to their great dismay–when they come to the Catholic Answers Forums, that they have been greatly IGNORANT of the Catholic Church they left. :sad_yes:

PR, you are still being your assuming judgemental self…You remind me of someone who sits high on a rock, pounds your chest, and feels sorry for the IGNORANT little people. Goodness, get a grip. I am glad I could be “another” example for you. Have a great day.

 

[adriancombe]

Mary can be a bit much for most non-catholics as she is not taught in most
of their churches… And as Catholics we have always been exposed to her.
and I can well understand your view of her. If one was to use the bible alone
to attempt to understand her value to catholics.

I think some plain explaining to you might be helpful… at least it is my intentions.

I think that if one wants to begin to understand the Marian doctrines
of the Catholic church… one has to start with the fact… that
whether one includes Mary in their christian life or not…

"She has NOTHING to do directly with one’s pesonal SALVATION.

There are some means to Grace that the church demands of her children

but the Marian doctrine is not one of them.

In order to find the true value of Mary to a catholic you have to understand
that we believe in the “communion of Saints”. Which means we believe
our prayers can be heard from members of the faith who have died and
passed on into the presence of God. (we get this from John’s vision in
the book of Revelations)

We know from scripture that Mary was able to petition Jesus for the the people’s
need of wine at the marriage feast… He certainly told her he didn’t feel it was
anything to him… but yet, he did as she asked…

We feel that Mary has a real concern for us and our needs and we know
that She can get Jesus to hear our needs and these needs can be presented
to God from the scriptures of Rev. 5:8 and in Rev 8 (I can’t recall the verse number)
and not only by her but by the 24 elders of the church… which we feel is past
member of the church here and who have since died and are in front of the throne
of God…

Praying and asking the Angels, past Saints to pray for us goes back as far as
our Fathers of the church are recorded… and that goes back a long long time.
it is one of our tradtions…

I might add, there is that Lady who has been appearing to different people for over
six hundred years… and in many different places… And where ever she has appeared
there have been miracles performed from healings of illness which many of them
were instant and their doctors have claimed that many of them were from their
opinions noncurable. Some of these things are very difficult to ignore…

I can imagine what you might feel towards her as you have not ever been taught
from your chruch’s elders. But I think that we might consider what Jesus said
when he was accused of healing from the power of the devil…he said…

" judge me by my works to see if they be of God or the devil"…

Now I think if you were to use that same measure towards Blessed Mother Mary,
you might see that her works have all been good… Well those cripple people who
were healed would certainly think so…

Now if you had a loved one who was suffering from some terrible disease… wouldn’t
it be nice if God provided a way to get them free from their suffering if they might
visit one of those places where that lady appeared ?

You might seek out some of the information on her and those appearances
you might have a change of attitude about her… She can make a great
witness to the lost of our world… and there are a lot of people who can go
to their mothers a lot easier than their fathers… and isn’t it wonderful that the
catholic church has given us this wonderful means to the blessing of our Lord?

I think that she is a great comforter of women christians who can go to her
as another mother or sister and have a little private talk with her…
I have never heard of one thing she is suppose to have done to hurt God’s
image on earth… or to the christian expressions of our world… and throughout
the last 2000 years…

She is your mother too… “behold thy mother” Jesus said on the cross…
I have always thought of that as meaning our mother… and not that Mary
just need a home to live in… That can’t be can it? I mean if you persist in
believing that she had a bunch of other children after Jesus… If she had
all of these younger children… as Jesus was the first born and oldest,
then why didn’t they take her to their home? Jesus wouldn’t have needed
to find her a home…

You have her as your mother too… and God gave her too you. You can
ask her to help you receive God’s blessings and for her to petition her son
for some of you and your family’s needs… If any two of you, will ask
in my name it shall be granted to you… You and Mary add to two…

You might want to read rev 5 and 8 and see if you can’t find where
it is that the communion of saints is from scripture and then
you won’t have this hang up regarding her… She is a real blessing.

Just to be clear:
The four Marian doctrines:

1. Perpetual Virginity
2. Immaculate Conception
3. Assumption into Heaven Body and Soul
4. Spriritual Maternity

aren’t optional for Catholics.

The concept that these are not soteriological is also flawed. From the CCC:

2679 Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus’ mother into our homes, for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her. The prayer of the Church is sustained by the prayer of Mary and united with it in hope.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

If He was, as you say (and I agree), fully God while in Mary’s womb, and was birthed by her, that would make her the Theotokos, or God-bearer; aka, the Mother of God.

She did not preceed God, so the best she could be would be the mother of the Son of God. If she was the Mother of God, she would have had to creat God, so in essense, she would be God…which she is not…and I realise never claimed to be.

 

[Randy_Carson]

I am Italian on my mothers side and Italian, Irish, English on my fathers…My mother was my mother, but only responsable for the Italian side. She had nothing to do with the Irish or English…that was part of me…God was Jesus Father (the Holy Spirit) the divine part…Mary the human…she had nothing to do with the divine part.

I never said she did, and there’s really no way to sugar-coat what I have to say to you:

Because you are IGNORANT of what the dogma is about, you keep making foolish assumptions and continue believing false ideas.

Jesus’ divinity did not come from Mary. However, Jesus IS God, and Mary IS His mother.

Therefore, Mary IS the Mother of God.

Stop typing and start reading.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

No. The bible doesn’t say Jesus is the only mediator. Please read post below copied from another thread. Originally from justaservant with me piggybacking.

Re: Proper understanding of “One Mediator between God and Men”
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustaServant
If we go back and read the beginning of that chapter, we see that just before Paul calls Jesus the “one mediator”, he urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. What is he doing? He is appealing for MEDIATION from others besides Christ. Why? Certainly not because Jesus can not handle the job. Being God, Jesus can do anything but because God is our Father and we are His children, God invites us to participate in Christ’s role as mediator just as Jesus invites us to pick up our cross and follow Him in His suffering. So, although Jesus Christ is the sole mediator between God and man, there are many intercessors or subordinate mediators.
Piggybacking on this:

The Nestle Aland Greek English New Testament indicates this verse is a poem in three parts:

εις γάρ Θεός
εις και μεσιτης Θεού και ανθρώπων
ανθρωπος Χριστός Ιησους

I also note the word μόνος (only) does not occur here - that is ‘eisegesis’ on the part of some translators. There is no definite article in the verse. Since the indefinite article does not exist in biblical Greek (and is therefore implied) a literal translation would read:

For one (is) God
One also (is) a mediator of God and humans
a human Anointed Jesus

Since the word used here for ‘one’ is the same used to indicate union of persons in other passsages (e.g. John 17:21, Matt 19:6) it follows this is more likely an allusion to the Trinity than an attempt to limit mediation to one person - which, as already noted, would contradict the immediately preceding context.

1Tim. 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Heb. 9:15:, 12:24

I think that it is exceedingly clear in 1 Tim…2:5 Now I know you will twist this until you make lemonade, but the words can not be altered.

 

[Randy_Carson]

PR, you are still being your assuming judgemental self…You remind me of someone who sits high on a rock, pounds your chest, and feels sorry for the IGNORANT little people. Goodness, get a grip. I am glad I could be “another” example for you. Have a great day.

PR’s assessment is spot on.

Perhaps you, not PR, are the one who needs to get a grip.

 

[Randy_Carson]

1Tim. 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Heb. 9:15:, 12:24

I think that it is exceedingly clear in 1 Tim…2:5 Now I know you will twist this until you make lemonade, but the words can not be altered.

Mary as Mediatrix Proved From Scripture

The Catholic Church recognizes Mary’s role in salvation history and invokes her under the title of Mediatrix. However, many people struggle to understand how Mary can have this role which they reserve for Christ alone, and they cite the following verse in support of their position:

1 Timothy 2:5-6
5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.

Let’s look at additional verses to gain a fuller understanding of the role of Jesus as mediator.

Hebrews 7:24-25
because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

Here we see that Jesus “always lives to intercede” for “those who come to God through him.” The role of the mediator and the intercessor are synonymous; a mediator lives to intercede for others.

All Christians are called to be mediators or intercessors for one another because we are all members of Christ’s body as we see from Paul’s letter to the Ephesians:

Ephesians 1:22-23
“And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

Paul referred to himself as a co-laborer with Christ when he wrote:

1 Corinthians 3:9
For we are God’s fellow workers.

Paul went further in his understanding of our responsibility as co-laborers with Christ when when he wrote:

Colossians 1:24
Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

Is anything lacking from the perfect sacrifice that Christ offered upon the Cross? Paul clearly indicates that more is to be done and that he makes up what is “still lacking” in his own flesh.

2 Corinthians 1:6
If we are afflicted, it is for your comfort and salvation

Additionally, we know that we are called to share in the priesthood of all believers (cf. 1 Peter 2:5-9), and a priest, by definition, is called to be a mediator between God and men. Each of us is called to this role and to be a mediator or mediatrix for others before God.

Therefore, if we are all called to this role of mediator and intercessor for one another, how much more can this be said of Mary who said, “Yes” to God and brought Christ into the world?

Speaking of this, the Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

[967](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/967.htm’) By her complete adherence to the Father’s will, to his Son’s redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church’s model of faith and charity. Thus she is a “preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church”; indeed, she is the “exemplary realization” (typus) of the Church.

[968](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/968.htm’) Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. “In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior’s work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace.”

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[969](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/969.htm’) “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”

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[970](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/970.htm’) “Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.” “No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.”

 

[Randy_Carson]

One other thing. Jesus gave Mary to John as his mother and visa versa…no other names where mentioned. It was not to take her home, nor did it say that…

Wrong again, Leslie.

John 19:25-27
25Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Dear woman, here is your son,” 27and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

 

[Good_Fella]

Yes, and Mary was the human, and God the Divine…Yes Jesus was God made man. Now He is back on the throne sitting at the right hand of His Father.

Jesus still is God made man, and Mary still is his mother. The divine Word did not cast his humanity aside when he ascended into heaven to take his place at the right hand of the Father.

Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we will also bear the image of the man of heaven.
1 Corinthians 15, 49

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